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    Posted: 23 Nov 2014 at 20:45
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"~ 600 families of 'hebrews' of Exodus ..."


Dear friends can you check my translation into English of my very interesting article, please?!

I'm Russian (by my soul Ukrainian now) and English is not my native language, but I'm zeal to acquaint English-speaking world to very new scientific results for free.

This is a link to the text http://bible-exodus.eu.pn/articles/numbers/en_bible_numbers_brief_2013.html

It seems better to use for fixing the Ms Word in the fixing regime - so I can see the changes.
Or if there is any hardness copy this just here...

Thanks a lot!

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~ 600 families of 'hebrews' of Exodus but 2-3 milllion ~ 43 year in 'Egypt', but 430 year.



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Is this correct?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote toyomotor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Nov 2014 at 02:44

Sasha

From what you've written, it's not clear to me what you mean.

2-3 Million Hebrews, consisting of about 600,000 men and their families left Egypt after about 430 years

seems to me what you're saying

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I could only read the English and not the Russian/Ukrainian because i am not good with other scripts like cyrillic.

If i understood your paper correctly you are saying that they were not 600000 but only 600, and not in Egypt for 430 years but only for 43 years? Or are you only refering to the wilderness 40 years? A month or so ago someone also posted on historum.com forum about the 600000 and word elp "thousand/family/clan/tent".

From my own research i am sure that the 430 years in Egypt from Joseph to Moses (Massoretic) is corrrect, not 215 years (LXX, Josephus) or 43 years.

The bible and other Jewish sources seem to confirm 430 years.
- The Flood was in 1656 anno mundi, and Jewish says exodus was in 2666 a.m. (1656 + 10 patriarchs x 1 yr = 1666. Both 1666 and 2666 connect with 666 as a judgement number. The 600000 or 600 also may relate?) This gives 1000 years from Flood to Moses which requires/fits with 430 years in Egypt.
- Abraham's 400 years is also phrased 4 generations of a hundred years (similar to the 40 years in wilderness is also put as 4 x 10). This connects symbolically/prophetically with 4 world ages.
- The bible doesn't say 215 years anywhere only 430/400 years.
- The genealogies of other tribes have more generations than the Levi - Moses one. Eg "10 generations between Ephraim and Joshua".
- For the Levi to Moses one in exodus it is said that the "begat" words between Levi & Kohath & Amran are not direct son like the ones in Genesis genealogies (Adam - Noah, Noah - Abram) so imply gaps.
- "500 years to Moses/Azrail".

Egyptian sources also seem to confirm 400 years in Egypt.
- Surid (3rd dyn [Joseph]) was 300 years before flood [12th dyn / Moses].
- "The events in the legend of Horus (Behdeti)/Horus (of Edfu) versus adversaries of Re(-Harakhty) [which story is like el-Arish account and like exodus account] are said to have taken place in the 356th/363rd year of reign of Ra/Re-Harakhty." (Re's reign starts from 3rd/4th/5th dynasty.)
- Joseph was 3rd-4th dynasty. Moses was end of 12th dynasty. 215 years is too short.
- "15 generations sothaic cycle / 443 years" before 16th dynasty (after "8 demigods / 217 years") in [Syncellus?] could match 430 years Joseph-Moses after 215 years Abram-Joseph. (The exodus was just before 15th/16th dynasty.) Compare "480 yrs = 12 generations of 40 years".

It is true that in other gentile myths/histories like Egyptian that there are exagerations and adding zeros (eg Atlantis is 900(0) years, Hyperboreans lived to a 100(0) years, Herodotus gives (1)1340 years Menes to Seti matching Josephus 1300 years), but not with the bible.

All the population/etc calculations seem far too "complicated". (No offense.)

There were some interesting things you mentioned though, like the 12 cousins of Moses?

(I wasn't supposed to be online today as other things i need/want to do. But since my timetable is messed up and i saw this the other day when having a look to see what topics are being discussed i thought i'd post my comments.)

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Here is another record - probably the same material, but I cannot acces the first link provided...

http://www.bible.ca/archeology/bible-archeology-exodus-route-population-of-jews-hebrews.htm




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Thanks for that interesting page/site info link.
That reminds me, the wilderness wanderings was in Arabia not Sinai peninsula (as your link site also says/shows), so that population / size issue that she seemed to mention in her paper is also answered.
The site's maps are not quite right though.
Goshen was not in ne delta but Giza/Gizeh/er-ges-her (where Philitis was, roughly modern Cairo) or else Sokhem (Latopolis where Josephus said exodus started from).
The red sea crossing was near/by Nuweiba where chariots parts have been found (though people claim they are fakes) not Tiran (unless they were washed up to Nuweiba from Tiran)? (Though they also have a "crossing" marked there too without any route.)
Pihahiroth can mean at mouth of gorge.

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The Bible needs to be read very carefully. In particular the books of Genesis, Exodus.

Maree Moore compellingly argues that the Hyksos Kings were israelite (validated by Josephus). These included great Pharaohs, such as Tutmoses (King David?). The supposed exodus from Egypt may be metaphoric. It is clear that Moses eloped with the (electronic) switch box which was stolen from the bowells of the Great Pyamid of Giza (the broken granite case is sometimes called a "sarcophagus").

I have not studied this in any detail so hopefully ignorance has not prevailed, but I recall Russian writer Nickolai Levashov describing the Hyksos period one of the worst for the people of Egypt so this might logically preclude some sort of civil war. Rather more interestingly, the tall Phillistine warriors were surely Greek and not Arab, so if the Hyksos were "Greek", were the early Israelites break away Phillistines? Is that why Israeli scholars refute Josephus' claims?


The first part of my latest book, "Dimensions, Deceptions & Demons" http://ozziethinker.wordpress.com/2015/01/04/introduction-to-dimensions-deceptions-demons/
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