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    Posted: 17 Apr 2017 at 04:31
Misty eyed, I sat this morning listening to music of my youth, the protest songs of the early 1960's. Performers such as Peter, Paul and Mary singing "Where Have all The Flowers Gone?", Joan Baez "We Shall Overcome"
and Barry McGuire "Eve of Destruction", and many others.
Quote You're old enough to kill but not for votin'
You don't believe in war, but what's that gun you're totin'
And even the Jordan river has bodies floatin'
But you tell me over and over and over again my friend

Ah, you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction

And I couldn't help thinking to myself that this music is as relevant today, as it was then, and probably ever will be. Our young men and women are beng sent to foreign shores to fight for their country in foreign wars, and in the name of what? Freedom? Democracy? Humanity? Or simply wealth, derived, probably, from oil?

Why is humankind permitting the attrocities that are being committed around the world by other humans? Why are we allowing millions to die through malnutrition and disease while we gird our loins for war?

We are the authors of own demise, and it's time that that concept was disassembled. We need to put down our weapons and find new ways to help those in need, such as in Africa and on other continents before it's too late.

Yes, I know, it's an unrealistic day dream of mine, but it's one that I need to cling to for the rest of my life, we all must never give up hoping for we surely are "On the eve of destruction."

Quote Universal Soldier

He's five foot-two, and he's six feet-four,
He fights with missiles and with spears.
He's all of thirty-one, and he's only seventeen,
He's been a soldier for a thousand years.
He's a Catholic, a Hindu, an Atheist, a Jain,
A Buddhist and a Baptist and a Jew.
And he knows he shouldn't kill,
And he knows he always will,
Kill you for me my friend and me for you.
And he's fighting for Canada,
He's fighting for France,
He's fighting for the USA,
And he's fighting for the Russians,
And he's fighting for Japan,
And he thinks we'll put an end to war this way.
And he's fighting for Democracy,
He's fighting for the Reds,
He says it's for the peace of all.
He's the one who must decide,
Who's to live and who's to die,
And he never sees the writing on the wall.
But without him,
How would Hitler have condemned him at Labau?
Without him Caesar would have stood alone,
He's the one who gives his body
As a weapon of the war,
And without him all this killing can't go on.
He's the Universal Soldier and he really is to blame,
His orders come from far away no more,
They come from here and there and you and me,
And brothers can't you see,
This is not the way we put an end to war
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http://www.mygen.com/Laurel_Canyon-David_McGowan_report.htm

I do love the music toyomotor. And I know you will forgive me for inserting a conspiracy into your thread.

Elvis was drafted and you remember the big blow up when Muhammad Ali refused to enlist. Do you recall any of the 'Hippie' bands losing a member to the draft?

Many of the most popular artist of the time localized in Laurel Canyon, California came from military families including Jim Morrison, Crosby Stills Nash and Young and others listed at the link. 

To your point on war, unending war. In tribal communities there are two types of chiefs. One chief is a commander he becomes chief because of a family lineage or because he proves himself to be the most worthy. He decides marriage arrangements and makes most decisions for the whole tribe.

The other type is selected by the tribe but he doesn't have any power over the tribe through forced obedience. He is seen as the go- to- authority by the tribe because he is respected and his wisdom is valued. He doesn't tell people what to do he offers his best solutions and the tribe is free to embrace or reject that advice.

I think forced obedience, inevitable since the age of empires is directly responsible for repeated aggression. Most of us are struggling in our own family units and not thinking of sending the best of us to die in foreign fields. We are depleting our population in the US of able bodied healthy young men and women. Even if they come home as we have seen it's never the same for the soldier or the citizens. 

The pace of life is accelerating at a terrifying rate. Statistics show a decline in violent war related death since WWII but what about the next 60 years?


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I suppose I'm somewhat of a dichotemy.
Although I like the music, I marched in support of our troops during the Viet Nam War.
Make no mistake-I was, and still am, staunchly supporting our troops who go to war. I like the lyrics of most of the songs because they say just what I think, our troops doing as their country orders them, they joined knowing the likelihood of active service, but, nevertheless, now that I'm an old man, I don't see war as the means of bringing peace to the world.

Opinions change over the years don't they?

And we also had a rock star who was conscripted to serve in Viet Nam-which he did in a Cavalry Unit. His career was basically stuffed because of his service.



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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

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I suppose I'm somewhat of a dichotemy.
Although I like the music, I marched in support of our troops during the Viet Nam War.
Make no mistake-I was, and still am, staunchly supporting our troops who go to war.
The troops must have our support. If we are nationalists then so be it, no turning back now. 

Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

 I like the lyrics of most of the songs because they say just what I think, our troops doing as their country orders them, they joined knowing the likelihood of active service, but, nevertheless, now that I'm an old man, I don't see war as the means of bringing peace to the world.

Opinions change over the years don't they?
I think yes in most cases opinions change. One grows weary of the world and the suffering but we honor the servicemen and women even as we sicken at the thought of more war. 

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toyomotor "And we also had a rock star who was conscripted to serve in Viet Nam-which he did in a Cavalry Unit. His career was basically stuffed because of his service."

The link is about the crazy goings on in Laurel Canyon Ca. during the 1960's. Many of the musicians we all remember were part of a group of hippies, musicians and actors. The musicians here mentioned were children of high level military personnel, who were not drafted.
And I've got the word on Danny Kaye Big smile



Judee Lynn Sill, who was once favorably compared to such other Laurel Canyon singer/songwriters as Joni Mitchell, Judi Collins and Carole King. By the time of her death on November 23, 1979, however, she had been all but forgotten, and not a single obituary was published to note her passing.
  • In the late 1960s, with her addictions apparently temporarily curbed, Sill joined the Laurel Canyon scene, where she attempted to forge a career as a singer/songwriter. Her first big break came when she sold the song “Lady O” to The Turtles (yet another Laurel Canyon band to hit it big in the mid-1960s; best known for the hit single “Happy Together,” The Turtles were led by lead vocalist/songwriter Howard Kaylan, who happened to be, small world that it is, a cousin of Frank Zappa’s manager and business partner, Herb Cohen).

  • Sill became the first artist signed to David Geffen’s fledgling Asylum record label.

  • The first single from the album, “Jesus Was a Crossmaker,” was produced by Graham Nash, whom she opened for on tour following the album’s release.

  • Sill’s second album, 1973’s “Heart Food,” was even more of a commercial disappointment.

  • in 1974 she began work on a third album in Monkee Mike Nesmith’s recording studio.

  • she abandoned the project and promptly disappeared without a trace.

  • It is alleged that she was seriously injured when her car was rear-ended by actor Danny Kaye, causing her to suffer from chronic back pain

  • the day after Thanksgiving, 1979, Judee Sill, the last surviving member of her family, was found dead in a North Hollywood apartment.

  • Judee began to realize that “there was a part of her that wasn’t under her conscious control.” I’m guessing that Phil Ochs, and quite a few other characters in this story, could relate to that.

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It's four in the morning and once more the dawnin
Just woke up the wanting in me

Wishing I'd never met her, knowing if I'd forget her
How much better off she would be

The longer I hold on and the longer this goes on
The harder that it's gonna be
But it's four in the morning and once more the dawning
Just woke up the wanting in me

I've never deserved her, God knows when I hurt her
That's the last thing that I want to do
She tries but she can't tell how she feels
But I know too well what she's going through

If I love her so much, I don't know why I can't do
The right thing and just let her be
But it's four in the morning and once more the dawning
Just woke up the wanting in me

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not under conscious control?  what does that mean?

There are two sayings"
If you love something, set it free, 
if it doesn't come back, it never was yours,
if it does come back, it always will be.

and the other, more realistic saying,
if you love something, set it free,
if it doesn't come back, hunt it down and kill it. <grin>

'60s song have nice sentiments, but they border on escapism,
which is what a lot of upper middle class people did with college
deferments from the draft.  There is actually a video of Berkeley
where they are singing "we shall over come" and the song transforms
into, "yellow submarine."  High ideals at the beginning, and then it
got silly.



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So much of our music is based on escapism. It allows us to sit back, close our eyes and dream of better times, or, in some cases, hope for better times in the future.

Our music is about much more than unrequited love, it speaks for the past and for the future, often telling stories which may be truth or fiction, it doesn't matter. It relaxes us.

Of course some genres of modern day "music" release the bad side of some of our youth, and doesn't resemble music as we oldies know it.




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There are two top-female voices in music - one is Judith Durham.
Here she is with The Seekers who were on top of the chards several times from 1964 to 1968 when she left the band.




   
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There are two top-female voices in music - one is Judith Durham.
Here she is with The Seekers who were on top of the chards several times from 1964 to 1968 when she left the band.





Train whistle blowin,
Makes a sleepy noise,
Underneath the arches,
For all the girls and boys.

Morningtown Ride, the Carnival is Over and so on. Music of my youth, and non political.

Of more modern times, I like Enya and Adelle.

As a man once said,"I like both kinds of music, Country and Western." And so do I.


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I like sixties music, but socially, things were very serious with the folk music, lot of energy in earnest about social issues, and then the left blinked, and became frivolous, about drugs, tuning out, turning on. taking LSD for communion, which is fun, but hardly serious or truly spiritual.  The '70s is a lot darker than the 60s and part of that is it doesn't have the optimism of the 60s.  70s has all of the excess, but none of the ideals.  I like the musics of the 60s and the 70s, but that doesn't mean I fail to recognize that some of it damaging.  Once upon a time, bars and restaurants got live music if anything, now everything is canned.  I like the BeeGees, but part of that trend was the rise of disc jockeys, and playing recordings instead of something live.
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The Legacy of the CIA’s Secret LSD Experiments on America

Newly unclassified information blows wide the U.S. government's covert operation to dose hundreds of unwitting Americans with LSD in the 1950s and '60s.

http://healthland.time.com/2012/03/23/the-legacy-of-the-cias-secret-lsd-experiments-on-america/

Let's not miss this part of the story. 

When we gets to the 1980's kids. I'll tell all about CIA and crack c-cocaine


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Oh Timothy Leary, what have you done??
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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Oh Timothy Leary, what have you done??

toyomotor, is it really Tim Leary who troubles you here? 
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Originally posted by Vanuatu Vanuatu wrote:

Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Oh Timothy Leary, what have you done??

toyomotor, is it really Tim Leary who troubles you here? 

Well, Tim was the public face of acid all through my younger days, and then he was joined by a whole truck load of music stars.

But, no, Timmy doesn't worry me here, I'd be more concerned with your intelligence agencies.

Quote So sing c'est la vie,
and soon you will see,
the birds in the trees,all sing harmonies.

Thanks to Sonny and Cher, you remember her on the deck of the USS Missouri singing "If I Could Turn Back Time?"

And how about Tina Turner's Nutbush City Limits, didn't that get your heart pumping? And then there's Leather Tuscedero, Suzie Quatro, WOW!!!


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Oh, I see, you're pretending that you're not old enough to remember those rock godesses.

Perhaps your parents told you about them-or grandparents???
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Here you go Luv, heard she got a beating after this. Sorry I'm a worm. But damn, she LOOK GOOOOD!



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Big wheels keep on turnin'
Proud Mary keep on burnin'
Rolling, Rolling, Rolling on the river.

She is one amazing lady, especially 'dealing' with Ike, and having a come back career.
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

Big wheels keep on turnin'
Proud Mary keep on burnin'
Rolling, Rolling, Rolling on the river.

She is one amazing lady, especially 'dealing' with Ike, and having a come back career.
Was she dealing with him or did they just have a deal? Ouch
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I actually saw Tina in a live performance (many years ago), and man was she dynamic.

She never needed Ike, he was there for the ride IMHO, and after their split, she went from strength to strength.

BTW, the original group to make Proud Mary a hit was Credence Clearwater Revival, which I really loved, but Tina's version was also very good.

I reckon she was "dealing with him" and she did it beautifully in the end.


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Originally posted by Vanuatu Vanuatu wrote:

Here you go Luv, heard she got a beating after this. Sorry I'm a worm. But damn, she LOOK GOOOOD!


This lady strutting her stuff, WOW!!!

And remind me please. What was the name of that bloke with the black greasey hair. He had hip displasia I think, but he still got in the US Army for a while.
He could sing a bit too.

PS
I think we've strayed a little from the 60's to the 70's, but who cares?
Let's keep going.

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Be sure to wear a flower in your hair.
If you're going to SanFrancisco,
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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

I actually saw Tina in a live performance (many years ago), and man was she dynamic.

She never needed Ike, he was there for the ride IMHO, and after their split, she went from strength to strength.

BTW, the original group to make Proud Mary a hit was Credence Clearwater Revival, which I really loved, but Tina's version was also very good.

I reckon she was "dealing with him" and she did it beautifully in the end.



I definitely agree. 
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Cher, (shudder) this is painful I hope you realize that, ONLY for YOU!

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Creedence Clearwater Revival (CCR) was the best Southern band from California (California is not in the South).

That doesn't mean I didn't like them.  But it is kind of funny (strange) that they were a Southern band from California.


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