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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

We seem to have wandered off the path. 1960's music wasn't confined to "hippy" music and anti-war protest songs. There was a lot of other popular music out there-rock, country, folk and so on.

How about Chubby Checker, the Animals, the Beatles, Rolling Stones, and the list goes on, Glenn Campbell, Merle Haggard, Ray Charles and Johnny Cash. All had music well up in the charts of the time.



No we haven't wandered off the path. The music and the times are relevant.


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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

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I suppose I'm somewhat of a dichotemy.
Although I like the music, I marched in support of our troops during the Viet Nam War.
Make no mistake-I was, and still am, staunchly supporting our troops who go to war. I like the lyrics of most of the songs because they say just what I think, our troops doing as their country orders them, they joined knowing the likelihood of active service, but, nevertheless, now that I'm an old man, I don't see war as the means of bringing peace to the world.

Opinions change over the years don't they?

And we also had a rock star who was conscripted to serve in Viet Nam-which he did in a Cavalry Unit. His career was basically stuffed because of his service.




Yes toyomotor opinions do change, thankfully. People believed what they were told by the government and tried to trust the gov hoping for the greater good. The pursuit of war and the circumstances are not always what we have been told. We have learned not to trust and even "verify" seems out of the realm of possibility with info wars and current poor media standards.
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Listening to an audiobook these days, called something like, 'Detroit, the Tale of Great City,' about c. 1963 Detroit.  They talk about Motown, which of course I am vaguely familiar with, in the sense of never having studied it, but having heard it on the radio, in cafes, and in commercials all my life.  Also, Aretha Franklin, who wasn't part of the Motown label, but was the daughter of Rev. Franklin and was originally from Detroit.  But, I think that Malcolm X came from Detroit, or at least there were black nationalists active there, so not everything was sunny.  Romney the elder was governor of Michigan, and the Ford Mustang came out in 1964(??).  But, they could already tell that demographics of white flight to the suburbs and the loss of the employed in the city was going to undercut the tax base.

So who went into the Air Calvary?

toyomotor, I think that a lot of people love the idealism of the '60s, even though they don't think it is realistic.  The goals of the '60s are noble, but they are also very rare and very hard.  For example, "peace," we act like we know what it means, but when can we look at history and find a time that is truly peaceful? not just the breathing space after the conflict, or the time before the storm?  So, I think that a lot of people love the music of the sixties, but they are also aware that there is a simplicity (and purity) to the music that did not completely translate to everyday life.  Also, there are casualties of the sixties that have little to do with war, and everything to do with not having "guard rails" to keep people on the path.  If 'the man' says heroin is bad, then as an antiauthoritarian, let's do heroin.  But the music, and the diversity of the music is great for the imagination.  I think that with the '60s, American power, and culture was at its zenith, and a lot that was noble came out of that time, some things stayed in that time, and some still lives with us today.



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Joan Baez helped Bob Dylan become known. While established and as a signed artist she took Dylan with her on tour and kept him around until he eventually has his own following. So some free love and years later Dylan could have helped Joan when she was his opening act in 1965, instead he famously snubbed her by not getting onstage with her. Years and years later Baez said she was caught up in making Dylan a political force.  She regrets the political activism today bc her son has seen some resentment maybe bias for perceived anti American acts. 

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Franciscosan wrote [toyomotor, I think that a lot of people love the idealism of the '60s, even though they don't think it is realistic. [/quote]

Yes, I agree.
Quote Eric Burdon and the Animals-"When I was young"-
The rooms were so much colder then
My father was a soldier then
And times were very hard
When I was young
When I was young

I smoked my first cigarette at ten
And for girls, I had a bad yen
And I had quite a ball
When I was young

When I was young, it was more important
Pain more pain
But I laughed a much louder, Yeah
When I was young
When I was young

I met my first love at thirteen
She was brown and I was pretty green
And I learned quite a lot when I was young
When I was young
When I was young

Just about sums it up I think.
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toyomotor, please answer fransicosan's question; "So who went into the Air Calvary?"

A sky pilot would have been a Chaplin in Vietnam. It's also the definition from Webster.


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The designation 'sky pilot' … has only been in use for a few years, say ten…. So wrote George William Foote in the 1893 book Flowers of Freethought. He was right. Our earliest evidence dates the term to 1883. Foote compared the sky pilot to the more familiar pilot of his age: the helmsman whose job is to steer a ship. And he faulted the former, tongue in cheek, for lacking the follow-through of the latter: "The honest salt boards the ship, and takes her out to sea, or brings her into port.… But the sky-pilot does not go with you. Oh dear no! That is no part of hisbargain." "Sky pilot" has never been a very common term, but it's actually a tad more common today than it was when Foote's book was published.


He blesses the boys as they stand in line
The smell of gun grease and the bayonets they shine
He's there to help them all that he can
To make them feel wanted he's a good holy man
Sky pilot.....sky pilot
How high can you fly
You'll never, never, never reach the sky
He smiles at the young soldiers
Tells them its all right
He knows of their fear in the forthcoming fight
Soon there'll be blood and many will die
Mothers and fathers back home they will cry
Sky pilot.....sky pilot
How high can you fly
You'll never, never, never reach the sky
He mumbles a prayer and it ends with a smile
The order is given
They move down the line
But he's still behind and he'll meditate
But it won't stop the bleeding or ease the hate
As the young men move out into the battle zone
He…


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Not the 60's but survivors of, loved the Traveling Wilburys.
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Quote So who went into the Air Cavalry?

Is there some hidden meaning here?

I know that at one stage the 7th Cavalry were Air Cav. but apart from that, I don't understand what he's getting at.
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Originally posted by Vanuatu Vanuatu wrote:

Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

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I suppose I'm somewhat of a dichotemy.
Although I like the music, I marched in support of our troops during the Viet Nam War.
Make no mistake-I was, and still am, staunchly supporting our troops who go to war. I like the lyrics of most of the songs because they say just what I think, our troops doing as their country orders them, they joined knowing the likelihood of active service, but, nevertheless, now that I'm an old man, I don't see war as the means of bringing peace to the world.

Opinions change over the years don't they?

And we also had a rock star who was conscripted to serve in Viet Nam-which he did in a Cavalry Unit. His career was basically stuffed because of his service.


Yes toyomotor opinions do change, thankfully. People believed what they were told by the government and tried to trust the gov hoping for the greater good. The pursuit of war and the circumstances are not always what we have been told. We have learned not to trust and even "verify" seems out of the realm of possibility with info wars and current poor media standards.


toyomotor, you said Calvary, I said Air Calvary.  I _assume_ you meant Air Calvary, no?!?  I am just curious, who was the rock star?  I mean in the cosmic scheme of things, it is not that important, but I am just curious.


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Yes, I misread your post, but I still don't know what you mean by "Who joined the Air Calvary?"
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If you're referring to my post about Normie Rowe who served in a Cavalry Unit in Viet Nam, having just reread the post, I did write "Cavalry".
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Normie Rowe

so my spelling sucks these days, I blame automatic spell checkers. it fixes it when I don't want it (like 'Norma' Rowe) and doesn't fix it when I would need it, and my spelling and sounding out is getting worse all the time.  I probably should try to figure out how to turn it off, if that is possible.

When was 'Traffic'?
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"When was traffic?"

What are you on about?
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From Wikipedia:

Traffic were an English rock band, formed in Birmingham,[1] in April 1967 by Steve Winwood, Jim Capaldi, Chris Wood and Dave Mason.[2] They began as a psychedelic rock group and diversified their sound through the use of instruments such as keyboards like the Mellotron and harpsichord, sitar, and various reed instruments, and by incorporating jazz and improvisational techniques in their music.[2] Their first three singles were "Paper Sun", "Hole in My Shoe", and "Here We Go Round the Mulberry Bush".[1]

Traffic disbanded in 1969, during which time Winwood joined Blind Faith, then reunited in 1970 to release the critically acclaimed album John Barleycorn Must Die. The band's line-up varied from this point until they disbanded again in 1974. A partial reunion, with Winwood and Capaldi, took place in 1994.[2]

Traffic were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2004."


I wasn't sure whether they were late '60s or '70s, surprised you don't know of them.
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Never made it to the Australian charts AFAIK.

However bands like Herman's Hermits, the Mersey  Beats, Billy Fury and many other "Mersey Sound" bands did.
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1967 "Dear Mr Fantasy" Traffic with Little Stevie Winwood a 15 year old white kid who sounded like Ray Charles-



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I think the protest against the Vietnam War is one of the causes why did the us lose the vietnam war
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The war was lost on the home front, part of which was the protests.  But, also if you were stupid you were sent to war (but not everybody who went was stupid).  If you had any brains whatsoever, you could go to college and get a deferral.  But they did make some good music.  And the baby boom swelled the population of young people, and music really speaks to the young.  Plus there is the discovery of black music, made more palatable by the British invasion, and Motown.  Here I think particularly about the Rolling Stones reaching back into blues music.
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