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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

More humans have been killed by swedish doctors than by Spanish conquerors.


Oh well, if we start calling denouncing countries as murderous because of their abortion rates then maybe we should look at a little statistic first:



Before you start accusing other people first make sure your own part of the world practices what it preaches...
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Here is condemned. That's the difference.
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Here is condemned. That's the difference.
 
Perhaps the main difference is that we in Europe are just not so hypocritic about these things. Maybe we just have a more rational, non superstituos way of looking at abortions.
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It is not hypocresy. Doctors cought profiting from abortion go to jail. Sure, crime is not fully controlled here, not in Europe, either.
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But here abortion is not a crime. We have perhaps a more realistic and non superstituous way of looking at things.
And ofcourse it is hypocricy that latin Americans let their women get injured or even killed in illegal, uncontrolled abortions rather than do the right thing and legalize abortion. Also it is hypocricy to care only about fetuses but disregard human rights.

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Yes. You have a very realistic perpective: "human life is a consumer's good"
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Here is condemned. That's the difference.


So if I understand it correctly condoning abortion is worse than abortion itself?
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To start to understand, the charges are not against women but doctors.


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You mean if a woman dies because she tries to abort herself, that's OK, but if she goes to a clinic and recovers, that's bad?
 
Confronted with a comatose and bleeding woman, you would refuse to take her to a doctor - and would punish the doctor for stopping to help her?
 
So noble of you.


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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

To start to understand, the charges are not against women but doctors.


Usually you condemn entire countries for allowing abortion. Now suddenly it's just doctors?

Originally posted by gcle2003 gcle2003 wrote:


Confronted with a comatose and bleeding woman, you would refuse to take her to a doctor - and would punish the doctor for stopping to help her?]

That's what's happening in Nicaragua and El Salvador nowadays (and I don't know about Chile, but I wouldn't be surprised if it happens there as well). Because of the full ban on abortion hospitals often refuse to treat any pregnant women, afraid that if she suffers a miscarriage the doctors will be persecuted for abortion.

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Originally posted by gcle2003 gcle2003 wrote:

You mean if a woman dies because she tries to abort herself, that's OK, but if she goes to a clinic and recovers, that's bad?


It's not OK that a woman has to pass for that experience.

Originally posted by gcle2003 gcle2003 wrote:


 Confronted with a comatose and bleeding woman, you would refuse to take her to a doctor - and would punish the doctor for stopping to help her?


Those are yours words, not mine. Women that have disaster abortions are treated in hospitals.

But why on earth a woman need an abortion when the pills and the day-after pills are freely available for anyone?

What is condemned here is the criminal practise of taking care of anything, just to grow babies and kill them in the womb once grown. And, of cpurse, abortionist doctors risk jail.

I remember how in Canada, for instance, women were very proud of having abortions, because that shown theirs wombs were there. In there, a degenerate like Dr. Morgantaller was a superstar. For me, that just shown the sadism of Canadian society, which also was displayed in games like hockey.












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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:





I remember how in Canada, for instance, women were very proud of having abortions, because that shown theirs wombs were there. In there, a degenerate like Dr. Morgantaller was a superstar. For me, that just shown the sadism of Canadian society, which also was displayed in games like hockey.











Funny I live here and don't remember any such thing.
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Don't you know Canadian "hero" Henry Morgantaller, who received the Order of Canada, and who is considered there an "humanist"?

This thug has killed more people than Himmler during World War II!

He is a nazi that believes in eugenecism, and that proposed the moral value of abortion to prevent crime!

I hope the cochrache die of cancer.






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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Yes. You have a very realistic perpective: "human life is a consumer's good"
 
We try to protect humans, not embryos.
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

I remember how in Canada, for instance, women were very proud of having abortions, because that shown theirs wombs were there. In there, a degenerate like Dr. Morgantaller was a superstar. For me, that just shown the sadism of Canadian society, which also was displayed in games like hockey.
 
Said by someone that comes from a continent where they still committ genocide towards indigenous peoples.
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:


But why on earth a woman need an abortion when the pills and the day-after pills are freely available for anyone?

You didn't want to reflect on my last post - here is more to think about for you....
 
Read up on the pills and educate yourself before you take so strong opinions... 
The day after pill is an abortion as well. It will prevent a fertilized egg to implant (thus killing the embryo)...
 
 


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Originally posted by Northman Northman wrote:

Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:


But why on earth a woman need an abortion when the pills and the day-after pills are freely available for anyone?

You didn't want to reflect on my last post - here is more to think about for you....
 
Read up on the pills and educate yourself before you take so strong opinions... 
The day after pill is an abortion as well. It will prevent a fertilized egg to implant (thus killing the embryo)...
 
 


A fertilized egg, which is swimming freely, it is not an embryo. Sorry sir.
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Originally posted by Northman Northman wrote:

Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:


But why on earth a woman need an abortion when the pills and the day-after pills are freely available for anyone?

You didn't want to reflect on my last post - here is more to think about for you....
 
Read up on the pills and educate yourself before you take so strong opinions... 
The day after pill is an abortion as well. It will prevent a fertilized egg to implant (thus killing the embryo)...
 

A fertilized egg, which is swimming freely, it is not an embryo. Sorry sir.
My mistake - should have been more precise....
 
So the fertilization isn't what makes a baby, then pray tell me, what is? 
 
Development stages... and what to kill or not according to Pinguin ....
 
Fertilized egg is fine to kill
The zygote is fine to kill
The blastocyst is fine to kill
The embryo is not to be killed....
The fetus is not to be killed....
The baby is not to be killed...
 
I'm, probably a bit slow - but what makes the difference - why this diversion...
Aren't they all a step of the way to become a human?
 
If it's a question of where the cluster of cells are located, the only significant difference to me is - is the baby in or out....
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
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The whole discussion is centering around absurdity. It is like asking which came first "EGG OR THE CHICKEN". In my opinion there is no difference between infanticide and Abortions both ends with the loss of life: on before the child is born, other after it is born.
To be very frank one  cannot stand in judgement of why people go in for abortions why not family planning or protected sex.  In India we have infanticide because of our liking for male child. In the villages people mix poison in the milk and feed the girl children and kill them.  this has resulted scarcity for Girls and that is effecting the society. There are instances in Northern India especially Uttar predesh where Brothers share wife and that is a terrible practice almost going back to stone age.
Regarding Human sacrifices this was prevalant in India but due to the Governmental regulations it has reduced to a neligable level. In the last one year I have seen news reports of two incidence of Human sacrifice in India and this is indicative of the rise of such stupid practices once again.
These two evils practices should be shunned forth with and anybody trying to practice should be put behind bar, "these offence should be  Internationally classified offence no trial or bail applicable". Straight to the prison for 12 years.
 
 

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Originally posted by Ramesh V.Naivaruni Ramesh V.Naivaruni wrote:

  In my opinion there is no difference between infanticide and Abortions both ends with the loss of life: on before the child is born, other after it is born.
To be very frank one  cannot stand in judgement of why people go in for abortions why not family planning or protected sex.

One can ask the same question the other way around. If abortion is forbidden, why not family planning or contraception? Both result in the loss of a human life before it is born.

The Roman Catholic church disposes of that question by, in effect, asserting that any action that sets out to interfere with divine intention is sinful. I don't know how you would justify drawing the line after contraception but before abortion.

Of course the Roman Catholic answer only pushes the question further back: If family planning is forbidden why is celibacy not a sinful choice?

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I think that "Thoughts are but a slave of time" as such the rules framed by catholic will have to change with time because what was the total population when these rules was framed and now ? Similarly there was no reason for celebacy being enforced by the chruch when satelitee channels showing reavealing pictures and soaps accross and internet porn available at one's finger tip : how can we ask our young priest and pastors to abstain. 
 
I think this is one of the reason why allegations and coverup payments by the Chruch. A fact which is admitted by the Pope himself.
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Just to make it clear, it is not the Catholic church which imposses celibacy, but just the Roman-Catholic church. Other branches of that religion are not constrained for such absurd rules.
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Pinguin - I have a post from April 4'th, my last post in this thread.
 
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Just to make it clear, it is not the Catholic church which imposses celibacy, but just the Roman-Catholic church. Other branches of that religion are not constrained for such absurd rules.
 
True, which is why I specifically wrote "Roman Catholic" in my post. AFAIK there are no teachings about abortion-contraception-celibacy and so on that distinguish the Catholic churches from the rest.
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The Anglicans don't enforce celibacy on anyone, no matter the level of the hierarchy. You're right otherwise that it's not only the Roman Catholics that enforce it.
 
 
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Don't you know Canadian "hero" Henry Morgantaller, who received the Order of Canada, and who is considered there an "humanist"?

This thug has killed more people than Himmler during World War II!

He is a nazi that believes in eugenecism, and that proposed the moral value of abortion to prevent crime!

I hope the cochrache die of cancer.






One of the most common threads we see in the background of criminals is a dysfunctional and chaotic childhood. This sort of environment is only added to by parents who are unable or unwilling to do their job effectively, for a diverse number of reasons. The costs to society of these sorts of events are massive.
 
Abortion has nothing to do with sadism, but with dealing with the imperfections of human behavior. I think one of the reasons it is so controversial is that there is no easy defining point between human life and its various development stages. It is a matter of judgement and subjectivity, and hence open to dispute.
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

He is a nazi that believes in eugenecism, and that proposed the moral value of abortion to prevent crime!

Just about the last thing Morgentaler is is a Nazi. Nazis - or at least Germans - killed his parents and the number they tattooed on him wasn't his room number at the Hotel Vier Jahreszeiten.

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Morgantaler is a nazi that believes in eugenics. Have you ever heared about Sionism, or if you preffer, extreme right jews?
Not because he is a jew, he is free from having nazi ideas in his cruel mind.

He, in fact, believes abortion has contributed to prevent the birth of criminals Confused... Anyways, any person with blood at its hands, also has an excuse.




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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Morgantaler is a nazi that believes in eugenics. Have you ever heared about Sionism, or if you preffer, extreme right jews?
Not because he is a jew, he is free from having nazi ideas in his cruel mind.

He, in fact, believes abortion has contributed to prevent the birth of criminals Confused... Anyways, any person with blood at its hands, also has an excuse.




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