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African Involvement In Slavery

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    Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 19:31
Glad to have found this community...and am happy to share my first contribution on the role played by Africans in the Slave Trade:

Africans & The Slave Trade

During the era of the trans-Atlantic slave trade, Europeans did not have the power to invade African states or kidnap African slaves at will. For the most part, the 12.5 million slaves transported across the Atlantic Ocean were purchased from African slave traders.

Blackness (as an identity or marker of difference) was a preoccupation of Europeans, not Africans and there was also in this era no sense of being ‘African’…African Involvement In The Slave Trade can thus be understood from this perspective.

https://afrikaiswoke.com/2018/08/30/african-involvement-in-slave-trade/

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The aim of this forum is not to "cherry pick" articles or text from other web sites, but to originate discussion on matters of interest, using your own intellect to pass opinions, make judgements and so on.

We're here to discuss and sometimes debate historical matters, and sometimes to reveal breaking news.

Your articles are simply text picked from someone elses work.

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It's credited that's why I link to the original source instead of pretending I wrote it...I could just rewrite and pretend it's all mine but I don't do that and make it clear where the Text is from...The point is not that I wrote it myself but what the article is actually saying...If I agree with It, I don't see the need to re-invent the wheel especially if I credit the source...It's not about me but the content of the actual article...Would it make a difference if the article said the exact same thing in my own words which would be easy for me to do and you wouldn't know where I got it...I thought that's why we reference and link to the original
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Originally posted by Vhedza1 Vhedza1 wrote:

It's credited that's why I link to the original source instead of pretending I wrote it...I could just rewrite and pretend it's all mine but I don't do that and make it clear where the Text is from...The point is not that I wrote it myself but what the article is actually saying...If I agree with It, I don't see the need to re-invent the wheel especially if I credit the source...It's not about me but the content of the actual article...Would it make a difference if the article said the exact same thing in my own words which would be easy for me to do and you wouldn't know where I got it...I thought that's why we reference and link to the original

That's OK as far as it goes. By all means quote other texts and post the attribution, but it would be a lot better, IMHO, if you offered your own comments, arguments etc on the text. You may agree with the text, or not, but offer your own insights so that we all have the opportunity to include you into the forum by discussing or debating your opinions with you.

Good luck,

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Thanks...It's just that if someone says what I'm already thinking, I dont need to pretend that it's my own idea except to communicate it...I appreciate your understanding...
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That makes sense, being from Africa, you probably have insight into such matters, that we do not.  I know that in America, there is a lot of incentive in sections of the black community and out of "sympathy" amongst liberals, to paint it as a one sided thing.  Something that Europeans and Americans (including South America, not just 'the South'), did _to_ Africans.  It ignores that some African chieftains got rich off of raiding parties to feed the slave market.  It also ignores that the Arab world was probably a larger slave market than the European/American connection. On the other hand, the Arab world was probably more 'equal opportunity' enslavers than the Europeans.
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The Arabs were merciless slavers and preferred to kill all grown, healthy men. They would usually take the phallus and kill the warriors.
Women and children were worked to death in five years or so and so Arabs scheduled their journeys with the expectation of replenishing bodies with another raid. Arabs never bred with African women and they still don't. 
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Thats the main reason I posted the article because the liberal thinking is not accurate and Africans are too quick to go with it because it offers sympathy but facts are facts...The Slave Trade at such a massive scale was simply not possible without African collaboration...We need to deal with that realistically as Africans...
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Quote Arabs never bred with African women and they still don't.

I don't think you can say that with any certainty.

In Africa, we have a preponderance of people with classic "Negroid" phenotypes.

There are Bedouins and other desert nomad tribes whose phenotypes are slightly different.

Then you have Ethiopians, who usually have dark skin but, generally their features are more European.

In North Africa, there are people whose skin colour and facial features vary, such as Libyans whose outward appearance is different again, and varies throughout the country, IMHO, due to mixed parentage over time.

While most Arabs tend towards lighter skin, hooked (Jewish?) noses, dark hair and brown eyes, I think if ethnologists/ geneticists dip into the DNA of many Africans, they will find an Arab admixture.




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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

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Quote Arabs never bred with African women and they still don't.

I don't think you can say that with any certainty.

In Africa, we have a preponderance of people with classic "Negroid" phenotypes.

There are Bedouins and other desert nomad tribes whose phenotypes are slightly different.

Then you have Ethiopians, who usually have dark skin but, generally their features are more European.

In North Africa, their are people whose skin colour and facial features vary, such as Libyans whose outward appearance is different again, and varies throughout the country, IMHO, due to mixed parentage over time.

While most Arabs tend towards lighter skin, hooked (Jewish?) noses, dark hair and brown eyes, I think if ethnologists/ geneticists dip into the DNA of many Africans, they will find an Arab admixture.


In the brief article a light skinned North African finds out that in Saudi Arabia he is considered less honorable or at the level of slave in social standing. He had believed his Arab lineage made him superior outside of the Sudan as it had been in North Africa.
Sudan is at one point only 120 miles across the Red Sea from Saudi Arabia. This population did interbreed since the earliest times. It's not just an exchange of Arab DNA but Arab ideology and way of life. Their high social standing evaporates outside of the Sudan.

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It's my understanding that Arabs were not the only people involved in the slave trade.

I understand that it became a common practice for warring African (Negro) tribes to sell off captured enemies, especially along the east coast of Africa.


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