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AGW - Anthropogenic Global Warming poll

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Poll Question: Is it really man made?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Seko- Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Dec 2009 at 02:44
Don't you lover it when you type something, are about to press 'post reply' and the damn computer freezes on you?
 
Anyway, we have the highest recorded levels of Co2 in the atmoshpere right now than at any previous decade. Since 1979 we have lossed 40% of the ice sheets in the arctic. Aside form regular changes during unsettled epochs we are doing something to the works. Partisan politics aside (and this topic reflects ongoing debates between liberal and conservative think tanks) pretty soon we may be seeing palm trees in the U.P. (upper penninsula for non-Michiganders).
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Seko you scare monger! 40% FORTY PER CENT of ice sheets in the arctic have melted?  If that is so then there are greater forces at work than anthropogenic gas emissions!

I was reading about the extinction of mega fauna at the end of the pleistocene epoch.  Well, it seems that massive amounts of ice receded 10,000 years ago and we sure as hell weren't responsible for it.  To think that it won't happen again unless it's our doing is strange.

We should strive to be efficient and cut emissions as a matter of principle - that is my opinion.

What gets me though is that the same governments who jump up and down about cutting emissions and blame developing countries for not doing enough are the ones who are the biggest polluters and who still have an insatiable appetite for exploiting yet more fossil fuel for continued cheap economic prosperity.

I have said it before and I will say it again - most of these fear mongering climate studies are sponsored by the governments of western countries who also happen to be the biggest polluters... now, you would think that if they believed their own research, then they would be the first to act by enforcing legally binding restrictions on carbon emissions.  I mean really, if what they purport is true (that we're responsible for global warming) and, if the world's going to end as we know it then you would think there wouldn't be a minute to waste in acting instead of pointless theatrical conferences like Copenhagen.

Instead, what I see is Western governments using climate change as a means to make developing countries feel guilty about developing...






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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Guest Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Dec 2009 at 07:05
Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

Parnell, what disgusts me and what should make all very, very wary is the demeaning of scientific research for the purpose of politcs and ideological fancies. In a way, during the last 50 years "scientific research" has become an adjunct of political funding and in many ways it is this marriage that has given birth to volumes of "declaratory discoveries" that gave meaning to the term junk science.


Indeed! That has been just one of my fears all along.

Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

What I find hilarious is that drilling for oil and gas by Cairn is to start one year early off the coast of a territory owned by the hosts of the recent debacle of a climate conference.


It's like they do not even believe what is being preached? Blasphemy! 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ziegenbartami Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Dec 2009 at 07:10
Originally posted by Panther Panther wrote:

Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

What I find hilarious is that drilling for oil and gas by Cairn is to start one year early off the coast of a territory owned by the hosts of the recent debacle of a climate conference.


It's like they do not even believe what is being preached? Blasphemy! 

This is precisely what Stefan Molyneaux addressed in one of his recent videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhUMG6KjBkQ
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule."
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Great commentary.  Actions DO speak louder than words and the actions of the anthropogenic climate change proponents most certainly speak louder than their vacuous words. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Omar al Hashim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Dec 2009 at 09:17
Originally posted by Seko Seko wrote:

Anyway, we have the highest recorded levels of Co2 in the atmoshpere right now than at any previous decade.

And what does that mean? A decade isn't statistically significant to determine a predicitive trend.
1980 or thereabouts was the lowest point in 500 million years according to ice cores.
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