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    Posted: 22 Oct 2017 at 13:45
I received a lot of backlash from people on this subject and would like to clarify. I did a piece on some of the flaws seen in the character of Alexander the Great. I do in fact like most acknowledge he was indeed great, I merely made this piece
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJLL673d1-A
which bring up issues, such as his temperament problems. When I studied at the University I still attend, I had more then one professor go over most the flaws I present in my content on him. For all its worth I made this three part series just to raise questions and discussion over the greatest man in history= ).
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There are two predominant traditions regarding Alexander the Great.  The vulgar tradition, where people are critical of him and talk "smack" about him, and the official tradition which is more his military achievements, and is the propaganda for Ptolemy and the other successors.

The vulgar tradition is represented by Plutarch, Diodorus Siculus, and Justin Trogus.  In modern times, Peter Green's 'Alexander of Macedon' (note, not 'the Great), represents this.  Also the democrats in Greece tend to lean towards this interpretation of their own history.  (yeh! Athens, boo! tyrants)
So there is a long tradition of thinking of Alexander as the not so Great.

The Official tradition which ultimately originates from Ptolemy, is represent by Arian, the Campaigns of Alexander.'  more modern versions are the Prussian historian Droysen or the German Winckelmann(?)  The Oligarchs of Greece in the '50s liked to think themselves in terms of a continuation of the official tradition.

NBShistory, please look up the pronunciation of Greek in Perseus.edu (perseus.tufts.edu?).  The alphabet, consonants and vowels, and where to break words.  Of course some names have been filtered through Latin, (Ajax instead of Aias), but that can't be helped.  I would not expect perfection, but just a better approximation of the names.  Otherwise, it distracts from the content.

I'll listen to the 2nd and 3rd later.
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haha yes the person on camera was screaming at me for my pronunciation well aware I butchered it 
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Yes, you had the same thing with pronunciation in the Women of Sparta.
I think with a small investment of time, you could do better, not "get it right"
because even professors debate about that, but better.

I am not much for saying ancient authors are bullsh--, not because it is not true, but because it is crude, but that's your decision as far as how to present the material.  Personally, I think it is important to be clean and polite when shooting at people's sacred cows<grin>, like the 'greatness' of Alexander.

Maybe you did better for pronunciation of the Women of Sparta, I don't remember.

One idea for a topic is Hypatia of Alexandria, _she_ was a pagan 'scientist' martyred by a Christian mob in Alexandria, probably the most prominent female scientist in antiquity.  I think there is also a difference between the myth and the reality, (she is usually depicted as young in stories), but the basics are probably accurate.
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I. personally, always welcome any opinion based on logic. Your point shows another aspect of Alexander. But if he had such problem, he could not win all battles. 
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Watched the second one.

"kiss his ass"?  somebody needs a little less wine while doing the presentation.....

Tyre and the other Phoenician states were the Persian Empire's navy, which was a week spot militarily for Alexander III.  That is why he went down the coast and made an example of Tyre.  Was he cruel, yes, did he have a point, yes.

The worst crime in the Greek mind was parricide.  There were speculations that Alexander III, had some involvement in the assassination of Philip. but if Alexander III was really the son of Zeus, then all of a sudden, conjectures about his involvement with killing his father suddenly become moot.

How can you include the mutiny without referring to Gaugamela and fighting war elephants in monsoon rains?  Doesn't that set the stage for the mutiny?

Greeks even today, tend to be more emotionally expressive than Northern Europeans.  "emo" is slang and slang is best avoided in serious presentations, unless explained.
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Reaching back in time to Medieval History, and before, most great generals, at some stage, were gifted with the appellation "Great".

But, have you heard of Socrates the Great, or Hippocrates the Great?

"No," you say, "of course not." But why not?

Killers were more highly favoured than teachers and healers, that's why.
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Or it could be that there is more than one Alexander, but only one really important Socrates.  The shortness of what someone is called, can say more than including lengthy titles.  Socrates, Hippocrates, JFK, LBJ, what more do you need to say?  Alexander is actually Alexander III of Macedon, son of Phillip.  "the Great"
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

Or it could be that there is more than one Alexander, but only one really important Socrates.  The shortness of what someone is called, can say more than including lengthy titles.  Socrates, Hippocrates, JFK, LBJ, what more do you need to say?  Alexander is actually Alexander III of Macedon, son of Phillip.  "the Great"

I agree.

There would have been many Alexanders, and probably not so many Socratese's.

It's like famous sports people, there's only ONE "Tiger" and he's known world wide as just that.

Perhaps he should be called "Tiger the Great".
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"Tiger the Great" would be redundant.  Plus, I am not sure that playing golf, even at that level, makes someone "Great".

The Art of War is considered to be the highest level of Politics, where the most is at stake, and there is the greatest possibility of loss.  That is another reason why rulers who excel in it, are considered, "Great" (or for that matter, monsters).  Sometimes both at the same time.  "Great" is not the same thing as "nice."

I still like the theory that Alexander was assassinated, and Aristotle mixed the poison, I am not saying it is true, just that I like it.  There was one Athenian who said something like, "Alexander cannot be dead, otherwise we would smell the stink from here."  Of course, Alexandria is named after Alexander, as is Kandahar.
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Just think about the miserable communication system in that era. Then you will understand how great he was! Personally I thing, his greatness lies in this fact that Alexander the Great died when he was only 33. But, within that short period, he managed to win in 20 battles in various parts of the world. To visualize his achievement, you can take help of Alexander's tour map from Wikitour.

 Here is a list of the countries where he reached:

1. Greece

2. Bulgaria

3. Turkey

4. Lebanon

5. Palestine

6. Iraq

7. Iran

8. Turkmenistan

9. Uzbekistan

10. Afghanistan

11. Pakistan


Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great#Battle_record

 


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Egypt,
Syria,
India.

But, really Alexander III did not have to conquer that whole area, he just had to beat the King of Persia, and thus assume the leadership of the empire.  He wanted to combine the Persians and the Macedonians, with mass marriages and so forth.  Aristotle would have been shocked by the notion.

There was a Greek mercenary from Rhodes who had a strategy for beating Alexander, Alexander was living off the land, and the mercenary captain proposed scorched earth.  But, the Persian King would not hear it because it would have caused his people hardship.  Alexander could have been beaten, but not at an acceptable cost.

The Romances of Alexander have him crowned as Pharaoh of Egypt, most of the romances are probably fictitious.  But the fact that Alexander was crowned pharaoh is a bit of substance amongst the larger fiction.
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