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By the way here are portraits of Cuban political leaders, gee who is the odd-man-out in that gallery:
 
 
yes, it's a trick question...but hey you are an expert in things "Cuban" aren't you?


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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

By the way here are portraits of Cuban political leaders, gee who is the odd-man-out in that gallery:
 
 
yes, it's a trick question...but hey you are an expert in things "Cuban" aren't you?


You are only showing the plantation owners.
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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

 
Of course, the really uproarious in your manufacture of stereotype was the proclamation that both O'Higgins and San Martin were mestizos? You wrote:
 
Lautaro was the source of inspiration of those mestizos that were our founding fathers.

Really? I do believe you are confusing the term criollo for mestizo and hence inverting the actual process driving the independence movements.


Of course, my badly informed "expert". They were mestizos. In fact, most of the criollos were mixed already. Yes, they weren't 50/50 but around 75/25. Good enough for you?

Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:


But, hey, wasn't it you that made the assertion that San Martin viewed the Blacks of Mendoza as cannon fodder?


Yes, they were sent in the front lines to protect the regular soldier from the gunfire.


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Now, should we discuss the mestizo roots of Dr. Francia in Paraguay nor should we forget to include the Aztec heritage of Iturbide? But, shucks, why stop there when we have Simon Jose Antonio de la Santissima Trinidad Bolivar y Palacios as the paragon of the mestizo Mason. He probably would have had you shot for calling him a mestizo.
 


Why do you get upset, doctor? Of course Latin Americans are mixed. Just imagine we only had Galician blood. Confused...



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Gee, how Amerind, and to a rap beat no less...what next Eminem as the example of libertarianism in a North American environment?  Thanks for the chuckle courtesy of youtube.


So Indians can't get modernized? Confused Silly doctor.

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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:


Of course, the really uproarious in your manufacture of stereotype was the proclamation that both O'Higgins and San Martin were mestizos? You wrote:
 


O'Higgins not only was mestizo, my clueless doctor. He was a guacho. Confused Didn't you know he was called Guacho O'higgins by the Carrera Bros? Confused
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Your comments are a hoot:
 
"You are only showing the plantation owners."
 
Gee, I didn't know that Leonard Wood and William Howard Taft had plantations in Cuba...and then there is that Amerind-like chap in two poses...hmm
 
but then this one takes the cake:
 
"O'Higgins not only was mestizo, my clueless doctor. He was a guacho.  Didn't you know he was called Guacho O'higgins by the Carrera Bros?"
 
And Alexander Hamilton was called a mulato by his political opponents, a slur that was not made true by its utterance. That his randy "old man" took advantage of a 16 year old girl and did not marry her does not make O'Higgins a guacho (but then you do so love ethnic slurs)...anyway this archaism [sometimes assigned to the Mapuche term caucho [vagabond] is not exactly what you mean to imply, certainly not in the early 19th century. As for O'Higgins parentage, there is no secret there...here is Isabel Riquelme in all her glory:
File:IsabelRiquelme.jpg
 
What next, the portraitist lied?
 
But hey, with an Irish father (from County Sligo) and a Basque mother guess the encounter could only produce a "messtizo" of some sort...
 
Now as for Jose Miguel, Luis, and Juan Jose as well as that harridan Javiera Carrera being reliable sources for anything O'Higgins, please. But then who would have guessed it, Pinguin, a Carrerista!
 
 


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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

Your comments are a hoot:
 
"You are only showing the plantation owners."
 
Gee, I didn't know that Leonard Wood and William Howard Taft had plantations in Cuba...and then there is that Amerind-like chap in two poses...hmm


Yes, in Cuba there is around a 8% of Amerindian genetic markets. Something residual after the Spanish genocide of Amerindians there. But who are you trying to fool. Cuba is a mainly mulato country by far. A happy copy of Africa.
 
Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:


And Alexander Hamilton was called a mulato by his political opponents, a slur that was not made true by
its utterance


Would you bet on that? Remember what Collor de Melo said:

every Brazilian has a foot in the kitchen Wink
 
Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:


but then this one takes the cake:
 
"O'Higgins not only was mestizo, my clueless doctor. He was a guacho.  Didn't you know he was called Guacho O'higgins by the Carrera Bros?"


Yes, he was a guacho, too.
 
. That his randy "old man" took advantage of a 16 year old girl and did not marry her does not make O'Higgins a guacho (but then you do so love ethnic slurs)...anyway this archaism [sometimes assigned to the Mapuche term caucho [vagabond] is not exactly what you mean to imply, certainly not in the early 19th century. As for O'Higgins parentage, there is no secret there...

Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:


here is Isabel Riquelme in all her glory:
File:IsabelRiquelme.jpg
 
What next, the portraitist lied?


What about the portrait? Didn't you know all the Chilean high society families had Indian blood? So if they could pass as white doesn't mean they were 100% European, my naive professor.
 
Read this:
Fue hija de Simón Riquelme de la Barrera y Goycochea, y de María Mercedes de Meza y Ulloa, pertenecientes ambos a antiguas familias de la nobleza en Chillan. Es descendiente de Vascos. 

If you believe she descends ONLY from basques, you are a fool. As I said, all Chilean nobility was mixed already, and it was during centuries before she was born.

Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:


But hey, with an Irish father (from County Sligo) and a Basque mother guess the encounter could only produce a "messtizo" of some sort...
 
Now as for Jose Miguel, Luis, and Juan Jose as well as that harridan Javiera Carrera being reliable sources for anything O'Higgins, please. But then who would have guessed it, Pinguin, a Carrerista!


I am Rodriguista, Sir. Not Carrerista or O'higginista. Viva Manuel Rodriguez and Lautaro !!!

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Live long and prosper in your mythic world Pinguin, but genealogy is not your forte...as for Manuel Rodriguez Erdoiza (d. 1818), perhaps it has now become time for me to despatch some Cazadores de los Andes to handle your recalcitrance. However, with your declaration I may surmise that you are a fanatico for novelas in the classic "soap" style typical of Telemundo!
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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

Live long and prosper in your mythic world Pinguin, but genealogy is not your forte...as for Manuel Rodriguez Erdoiza (d. 1818), perhaps it has now become time for me to despatch some Cazadores de los Andes to handle your recalcitrance. However, with your declaration I may surmise that you are a fanatico for novelas in the classic "soap" style typical of Telemundo!


Perhaps. I will reserve to myself about what I think about yourself, Witch Doctor LOLLOL

In any case, there in the same way gringos think all Latin Americans are Indians, there is nothing more pathetic than the gringo dogma about our "white" elite. You, who are supposed to be an educated witch doctor, should know better than anyone else that there all people of the region is mixed in a degree or another, with locals.

Now, keep playing baseball with your negritos of Cuba, that is a topic I bet you know better.


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Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

Originally posted by gcle2003 gcle2003 wrote:

Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

As usual, you focus the micro and forget the macro. Just stop your weird conclusions.
 
The displacement and eventual extinction of 32 peoples is hardly a micro issue. Its a threat against human and cultural diversity, and a humanitarian catastrophe if these people would disappear.
If the members of those 32 'peoples' are killed or die of disease that could have been prevented, of course. However it would be no more or less of a catastrophe if the same number of people were killed elsewhere.
 
As for anything else, why is i such a good idea to preserve cultural diversity, given the nasty ways of behaving so many cultures come up with?  
 
Why is it in any way such a good idea to spread Christianity and western lifestyle considering the nasty ways of behaving that this religio cultural complex come up with?
People are healthier, live longer, have more choices open to them, and enjoy more material prosperity in general. Which I assume you value, or you'd have gone back to nature yourself.
(And anyway I don't particularly favour spreading Christianity, I just don't see much harm in it generally speaking, as long as it's genuine.)
 
Actually, as I have already shown it is not always so. Many times the forceful incorporation in the Christian western culture have meant worse health, less material propserity (especially if land and the possibility of self sustainment are taken away) and a lot of social problems that they had not before (as prostitution, criminality, alcoholism, drug abuse, depressions).
Autonomy and self sustainment is often better for the physical and mental health than loss of idientity and incorporation in the poorest and most problem ridden part of third world society.
 
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Actually, as I have already shown it is not always so. Many times the forceful incorporation in the Christian western culture have meant worse health, less material propserity (especially if land and the possibility of self sustainment are taken away) and a lot of social problems that they had not before (as prostitution, criminality, alcoholism, drug abuse, depressions).


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Autonomy and self sustainment is often better for the physical and mental health than loss of idientity and incorporation in the poorest and most problem ridden part of third world society.
 


Sure. See how the Indians in the U.S. reserve preserve theirs physical and mental health, practising ancient rituals they don't understand anymore, living on welfare and drinking whiskey.

Nope, you idealistic, but quite naive, agripop agitator. The best for the Indians is to integrate in the Western culture, and reach power from the inside of it. The best is they get degrees as doctors, lawyers, they make money and get into politics. That way they will have power to deffend theirs lands and rights, without the charity of agripop agitators.


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Sure. See how the Indians in the U.S. reserve preserve theirs physical and mental health, practising ancient rituals they don't understand anymore, living on welfare and drinking whiskey.
 
That have to do with the overall structure of the discrimination against the Amerindians in the American society. And do not forget that many reservation is not even located on the original land of the Amerindians but on marginal lands they have been moved to. And also many reservations are to small and inadequate to sustain the people living on them. And even then, if something valuable are found there, the land and the resources risk being seized.



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Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Sure. See how the Indians in the U.S. reserve preserve theirs physical and mental health, practising ancient rituals they don't understand anymore, living on welfare and drinking whiskey.
 
That have to do with the overall structure of the discrimination against the Amerindians in the American society. And do not forget that many reservation is not even located on the original land of the Amerindians but on marginal lands they have been moved to. And also many reservations are to small and inadequate to sustain the people living on them. And even then, if something valuable are found there, the land and the resources risk being seized.


Have you been on an Indian reservation lately?
Marginal lands don't affect building casinos.
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Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Sure. See how the Indians in the U.S. reserve preserve theirs physical and mental health, practising ancient rituals they don't understand anymore, living on welfare and drinking whiskey.
 
That have to do with the overall structure of the discrimination against the Amerindians in the American society. And do not forget that many reservation is not even located on the original land of the Amerindians but on marginal lands they have been moved to. And also many reservations are to small and inadequate to sustain the people living on them. And even then, if something valuable are found there, the land and the resources risk being seized.


Have you been on an Indian reservation lately?
Marginal lands don't affect building casinos.
 
All reservations do not have casinos.
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All reservations do not have casinos.


But that's the way to go Wink
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Originally posted by gcle2003 gcle2003 wrote:

Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Sure. See how the Indians in the U.S. reserve preserve theirs physical and mental health, practising ancient rituals they don't understand anymore, living on welfare and drinking whiskey.
 
That have to do with the overall structure of the discrimination against the Amerindians in the American society. And do not forget that many reservation is not even located on the original land of the Amerindians but on marginal lands they have been moved to. And also many reservations are to small and inadequate to sustain the people living on them. And even then, if something valuable are found there, the land and the resources risk being seized.


Have you been on an Indian reservation lately?
Marginal lands don't affect building casinos.
 
All reservations do not have casinos.

Not yet.
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