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Ancient Olmecs and Great Zimbabwe

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    Posted: 05 Mar 2020 at 05:53
Once Great Zimbabwe was thought to have been built not by a local African culture but by foreigners like ancient Hebrews, Greeks, Romans, Arabs and even Portuguese. But archaeological research has shown it was built by local African peoples. The old racist believes have been debunked.

But as a sort of ideological ghost Black Afrocentrists perpetuate similar myths about the ancient Olmecs in Mexico, claiming their culture was created by, or influenced by Black Africans. These claims are not taken seriously among archaeologists who actually work with and research ancient Mesoamerican cultures, but they have got followers among Black (North) Americans. So today some Black people do the same to native Americans as Europeans once did against Africans, trying to deny them their cultural heritage. That is rather sad. 

This can also lead to a divide between Native Americans and Blacks. 

The Afrocenticity and Olmec predicament
http://sixthsunridaz.com/mexica-afrocentric-olmec-predicament/

Some bakground

Robbing Native American cultures: Van Sertima's afrocentricity and the olmecs



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So this is a political issue, it is possible to erase the past and rewrite history. The DNA and archaeological evidence does not phase the hypnotic promise of revenge. This is how it appears to me, whitey, in all it's forms. We are all victims of changing times and a forced resolution to the problems inherent in our journey as humans. 

If colonialism was the club that destroyed the new world then political revenge will be the club that insures the distance between races remains, however subtle for many generations to come.
All you can hope for is that the evidence is preserved in the memory of Olmecs and when the tide changes the actual history will have more value than the political re branding. 
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Obama to Olmecs- you didn't build that.
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A Hopi Elder Speaks:
"You have been telling the people that this is the Eleventh Hour...
Now you must go back and tell the people that this IS THE HOUR.
And there are things to be considered...

Where are you living? What are you doing? What are your relationships?
Are you in right relation? Where is your water?

Know your garden. It is time to speak your Truth.
Create your community. Be good to each other.
And do not look outside yourself for the leader."

Then he clasped his hands together, smiled, and said...
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"There is a river flowing now very fast.
It is so great and swift that there are those who will be afraid.
They will try to hold on to the shore.
They will feel they are torn apart and will suffer greatly.

"Know the River has its Destination.
The elders say we must (have the courage to) let go of the shore.
Push off into the middle of the river...
...Keep our eyes open, and our heads above water.
And I say, see who is in there with you and celebrate.

At this time in history, we are to take nothing personally, Least of all ourselves.
For the moment that we do, our Spiritual Growth and Journey comes to a halt.

"The time for the Lone Wolf is over. Gather yourselves!
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Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

But as a sort of ideological ghost Black Afrocentrists perpetuate similar myths about the ancient Olmecs in Mexico, claiming their culture was created by, or influenced by Black Africans.

The African origins of the Olmecs has been proven the World over. 



Quote These claims are not taken seriously among archaeologists who actually work with and research ancient Mesoamerican cultures, but they have got followers among Black (North) Americans.

Unless the person considered to be the father of Meso-American studies was never taken seriously then your assertion here is completely incorrect;



Quote So today some Black people do the same to native Americans as Europeans once did against Africans, trying to deny them their cultural heritage. That is rather sad.

The fact of the matter is...the creators and spreaders of civilization are the black peoples of Africa. The oldest civilization on Earth is Ta-Seti Nubia, and from that civilization Kemet (renamed "Egypt" by the invading Greeks), Sumer, Indus Valley, Minoan, China and Olmec civilizations were founded. We can play the game of ignoring the correlation of pyramid structures (with the Giza pyramid itself literally being the center of the Earth's landmass) and the consistent themes of the uraeus crown and the bird, etc etc etc but you cannot get upset when it's pointed out that pretending to ignore these facts is a Eurocentric game. 



According to your logic, the ceremonial Djed Pillar (Osirian backbone) which was and is still a pivotal part of African - Kemetic culture



has a parallel among completely distinct peoples in a foreign land. The logical explanation is clearly a spreading of Africans throughout the ancient World, which is a fact that is correlated with invaluable sources. The issue has always been that whites would essentially use their power in having recently colonized the World's ancient history (as of the late 18th century with Napoleon entering Egypt) to simply ignore the glaring evidence in a mass conspiracy to promote white supremacy. Whites at one time tried feverishly to ignore the fact of their recent ascension into power directly following the 800 years flow of knowledge that came by way of the African Moors who conquered and ruled southern Europe. 

Quote This can also lead to a divide between Native Americans and Blacks.

Fjrstly several of the Asiatic native Americans whom Europeans categorized as the authentic Natives of the Americas admit that the African element sailed to the Americas;



Secondly, Native Americans were not a uniformed race of people, and again this is something that has been noted by early European explorers. 




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Again, plagiarism on a grand scale.

See comments in relation to your other post.

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