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Originally posted by Styrbiorn Styrbiorn wrote:

 ... The oxygen produced there travels everywhere, just as the whales hunted in Norway do. Arguing that the Norwegians shouldnät hunt whales because they travel somewhere else is similar to whining that the Brazilians are cutting the world's oxygen supply when they cut some trees.
 
 
Pay your oxygen bill to Brazil, then. There are no free resources anymore.
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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

Well, Styrbiorn, as much as I decry the drop in access to good calamares (specially those spaghetti-like angulhas [eel-lets]) let us not go into a precedence issue after all the sailors of the Bay of Biscay have been at the Atlantic fisheries gig long before Columbus got it into his head to sail West. Or should I start a thread and posit that Norway is really Denmark in disguise?Evil Smile
 
The problem here is more or less a question touching upon the industrialization of maritime fisheries and its indiscriminate technology.

Yes, the extreme efficieny of the modern fish industry is the core of the problem. Spain just happens to have the largest fishing fleet in Europe and is therefore the focus of overfishing problems. Still they do need to tone done their quotas - or at least stick to them.

The Norwegians on the other hand don't overwhale. They should be happy every one else is condemning them and abstains from whaling though: otherwise the Mountainmonkeys would see decreased quotas as well. Wink

What Denmark has to do with it I fail to realize though, but I assume you're refering to Norway getting stuck in the Kalmar union after Sweden left. The reference to whaling I definitely miss though. Tongue

Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Pay your oxygen bill to Brazil, then. There are no free resources anymore.

When you start paying the Norwegians for using their whales in tourist traps, sure (if Sweden didn't happen to have enough trees already, that is).



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Originally posted by Styrbiorn Styrbiorn wrote:

...When you start paying the Norwegians for using their whales in tourist traps, sure (if Sweden didn't happen to have enough trees already, that is).
 
Who cares. Just don't mess up with OUR whales. We still could sale you Oxygen if you need it so badly, thoughWink
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Who cares. Just don't mess up with OUR whales. We still could sale you Oxygen if you need it so badly, thoughWink


Show me the treaty which decided the ownership of wales. Maybe the pope divided them up?


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Originally posted by Styrbiorn Styrbiorn wrote:

Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

 
Who cares. Just don't mess up with OUR whales. We still could sale you Oxygen if you need it so badly, thoughWink


Show me the treaty which decided the ownership of wales. Maybe the pope divided them up?
 
 
I have better authority than that...was not Leviathan granted dominion over the deep in Job:41?
 
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Or are the Norwegians simply accelerating the end of days as found in Isaiah 27:1 by striking down the "sea monster"? Then there is that strange description given by Olaus Magus...
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

I see. Norwegians want to keep living like the vikings. Lol

 
 
You're going too far, Mr Pinguin. This may be considered as a racial insult.
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Why don't we have a Reputation feature? Styr would win... hehe
 
Now, Drgonzaga, the Canadian claim to the Arctic seas as internal territorial seas is to some extent quite, right, if we follow that the 200 mile economical zone from the limits of the coastline, which could be extended in some cases to the islands as well. Can't exactly remember the criteria atm though, but basically, the claim isn't all that ridiculous (at least for me) and it is 50-50 compliant with the High Seas Laws as well. .
 
 
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All right, Rider, am I not entitled to a little fun? Besides, you can not have a 200 mile claim if such intrudes into another's claim. I doubt you'd be too happy at a Finnish claim to the Gulf of Finland! Besides, the rights of navigation are not to be toyed with for the sake of what is essentially mythical sovereignty...
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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:


Or are the Norwegians simply accelerating the end of days as found in Isaiah 27:1 by striking down the "sea monster"? Then there is that strange description given by Olaus Magus...

Ach, I do believe it's those dastardly orientals who are guilty again: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/12/061222-giant-squid.html
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The Canadian claim (due to the control over the archipelago) is far better than any other claim though, excluding perhaps the Svalbord-Norway claim, but that's for a different and far smaller area. So, if you're speaking of ridiculous Artic claims, perhaps bringing up the States or Russia would have been better?
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Originally posted by rider rider wrote:

Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

I see. Norwegians want to keep living like the vikings. Lol

 
 
You're going too far, Mr Pinguin. This may be considered as a racial insult.
 
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Please read above. The argument was that killing whales was traditional, (in the same sense Native Americans demand to keep killing wild animal even in danger of extinction). Mentioning the Norse was just a joke that has to do with the continuity of the tradition.
 
 
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Originally posted by Styrbiorn Styrbiorn wrote:

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Show me the treaty which decided the ownership of wales. Maybe the pope divided them up?
 
Not a bad idea. Perhaps we should mark our whales to prevent they get converted in sushi or in the Norwegian equivalent.
 
With respect to the Pope (with upper cases, of course), he has all my respects; no matter I am agnostic. I understand, though, why so many northern Europeans don't like it. He is just like Jiminy Cricket for some Pinoccios of the boreal lands Wink
 
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Is it really possible you think they are yours just because they pass Chilean waters? 

Anyhow, you don't have any spotting tours of minke whales, so even if your ludicrous claim had been acceptable, it's still a moot point.

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With respect to the Pope (with upper cases, of course), he has all my respects; no matter I am agnostic. I understand, though, why so many northern Europeans don't like it. He is just like Jiminy Cricket for some Pinoccios of the boreal lands

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Originally posted by Styrbiorn Styrbiorn wrote:

Is it really possible you think they are yours just because they pass Chilean waters? 

Anyhow, you don't have any spotting tours of minke whales, so even if your ludicrous claim had been acceptable, it's still a moot point.

 
Of course we have spotting places where we see whales in my country and in South America in general. No country here hunts them, no matter we used to, we stopped that idiotic business for good.
What I do guarantee is that non-hunting countries and people are going to fight for stopping that primitive practise for good.
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OK guys, the thread deal with Antarctica and the moot political claims to its surface and not whaling per se. As matter stand the map that opened that thread is as cancelled as those stamps Argentina issued in 1943 proclaiming its sovereignty over the ice--naturally provoked by those Chileans who had done so in 1940. In fact I do not foresee any unilateral revocation of the 1959 Antarctic Treaty in the foreseable future.
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Originally posted by rider rider wrote:

The Canadian claim (due to the control over the archipelago) is far better than any other claim though, excluding perhaps the Svalbord-Norway claim, but that's for a different and far smaller area. So, if you're speaking of ridiculous Artic claims, perhaps bringing up the States or Russia would have been better?


Really old post but must comment.

You got to be kidding. Just look at a map of the Artic region and you will see that Russia can easily claim half the Artic Sea. The US only a small part.


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