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    Posted: 23 Jan 2011 at 21:31
Anti-American music without translations.
This is a show of some music that carries interesting messages about the United States. Music that is widespread in the spanish speaking media of the Americas and Spain.

Molotov-Frijolero



Tam Tam Go- Crossing the river



Kevin Johansen - Sur o no Sur




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Manu Chao - Clandestino



Juan Luis Guerra - Visa para un sueño




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What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander!
 
Anti-Chilean music...
 
Honi soit qui mal y pense
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Celia Cruz - Latinos en Estados Unidos


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Pinguin, is there a point to this?
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Just enjoy the music.
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Originally posted by Panther Panther wrote:

Pinguin, is there a point to this?


The only point pinguin ever has to make is anti-gringo.  It is much of what got him suspended previously.

 
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Discrimination!LOL
Nope, I am just showing you music you aren't aware of.
Just get the sense of humour of Latin America. If you are patient enough, I could explain it..

For instance, this is the drama of migration in Latin America. We go because we can't stay, we come back because we were pushed out.
Notice in this video the queue waiting to get visas at the embassy of "UTOPIA". Notice how Mexicans cross the border. See how the "Indians" want to get rid of theirs ponchos but they get stucked LOL

If you are not aware, the author of this song is Kevin Johansen American-Argentinean. His father is American and mom is Argentinean. Watch. I can explain the lyrics, and the Latin American sense of humour as well.

Kevin Johansen - Sur o no Sur




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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Just enjoy the music.


Sure we would enjoy it more if we knew what heck they were saying other than anti-American/gringo nonsense? I mean really, clearly you are at least giving me way too much credit on my Spanish.
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See! Racism does exist everywhere.
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Originally posted by Panther Panther wrote:

Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Just enjoy the music.


Sure we would enjoy it more if we knew what heck they were saying other than anti-American/gringo nonsense? I mean really, clearly you are at least giving me way too much credit on my Spanish.


That would be fun. If you have the patience I can explain detailed what they are saying. In fact, the complains are mild and funny, more than hateful. So, let me know if you want explanations...

Celia Cruz, for instance, all that say is that Latin Americans in the U.S. should be united to be respected. Nothing else, and Kevin Johansen laugh about the misfortunes and identity problems of Latinos abroad.





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By all means pinguin, please fill us in when time permits.
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Ok, Panther. Here I am going to explain the more beautiful -in my oppinion- of those songs.

The song talks the history of a guy that goes abroad, crossing a river, and taking all kind of risks in order to get money for him and his couple. The guy hasn't have a good time at all, and he doubts he will survive the adventure.

I translate the lyrics... I hope my translation doesn't sucks Confused

Tam Tam Go- Crossing the river



He dejado mi casa   - I left my home
Me persiguen y no  - They follow me and I don't know what happens
se que me pasa      
Sin pasaporte y sin visa voy - Without passport or visa I go
Navego contra la
corriente y la brisa - I sail against the current and the wind.

Y si llego a la rivera - And if I reach the beach
Tendre la espalda   - I will have the back and the cloths wet
mojada y la estera
Tu seras mi refugio   - You will be my refuge
Que larga y triste que - How long and sad is this utopia
es esta quimera

Esperame                        - Wait for me
La vida fue muy dura alli - Life was hard at the other side.
Al otro lado                     
Que llegare                     - I will come back
No pienses que te he olvidado      - Don't think I have forgotten you, no
Desesperes no                              - Calm down

Voy cruzando el rio                        - I'm crossing the river
Sabes que te quiero                      - You know I love you
No hay mucho dinero                     - There isn't much money
Lo he pasado mal                          - It has been tough
Lo he pasado mal

Y si me alcanza el acero                 - And if iron reaches me
Recuerdame como he                     - Remember how I fought
sido en la lucha
He sido bravo y sincero                  - I have been brave and sincere
Por favor quedate tu                      - Please, keep my hat
con mi sombrero

Esperame                                  - Wait for me
La vida fue muy dura alli           - Life has been very hard there
Al otro lado                               - at the other side
Que llegare                               - but I'll return
No pienses que te he olvidado     -Don't think I have forgotten you, no.
Desesperes no                             - Don't despair!

Voy cruzando el rio                      - I'm crossing the river
Sabes que te quiero                    - You know I love you
No hay mucho dinero                   - There is no money
Lo he pasado mal                        - I have suffered

Si algo me pasa no olvides             - And if something happens don't forget
Mi estrella no es de                        - My star isn't from this world of the living
este mundo de vivos
Pero la casa te digo                      - But the house is, I said, where a friend  lives.
Existe siempre
donde hay un amigo

Voy cruzando el rio               - I'm crossing the river
Sabes que te quiero             -You know I love you
No hay mucho dinero            -There is not much money
Lo he pasado mal                  -It'been a hard time

Voy cruzando el rio (el rio)     - I am crossing the river
Sabes que te quiero (me muero) - You know I love you (I am dying)
No hay mucho dinero              - There is not much money
Lo he pasado mal                    - It's been a hard time
Lo he pasado mal

Tu me quieres             -You love me
Yo te quiero                - I love you
Tu me quieres             - You love me
Yo te quiero                - I love you
No hay dinero             - There is no money

Voy cruzando el río
Sabes que te quiero
No hay mucho dinero
Lo he pasado mal


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Me no habla espanal senor.
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I put the translation at the right side of the lyrics, Sir.
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I'd love to learn spanish go to spain and have sex with a bunch of european women on the beaches of spain whilst drinking the best french wines; but don't we all?
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Originally posted by Joe Joe wrote:

I'd love to learn spanish go to spain and have sex with a bunch of european women on the beaches of spain whilst drinking the best french wines; but don't we all?


Wear a condom.
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Originally posted by Joe Joe wrote:

I'd love to learn spanish go to spain and have sex with a bunch of european women on the beaches of spain whilst drinking the best french wines; but don't we all?


Wear a condom.

Why would i do that when i could get on a flight back to the USA LOL

Seriously though going to Spain would be sick and in the good way.
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Why, because you'd never be sure about the reputation of the easiest senoritas.  And you don't want to bring back home a painful souvenir. Wink
Now, read the lyrics above, and you'll get lot of Spanish.


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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Why, because you'd never be sure about the reputation of the easiest senoritas.  And you don't want to bring back home a painful souvenir. Wink
Now, read the lyrics above, and you'll get lot of Spanish.

No spain just completely raped what was left of the native american populace and boom your born. Its not like you speak Aztec.
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I am learning Mapudungun, fellow. It doesn't make sense I learn Aztec. Besides not all Spaniards were degenerates, or arrived in the Middle Ages LOL. My great granddad came from Spain, and was an immigrant, not a poor soldier of the 15th century, and I tell you that many Spaniards came in recent times to the New World.

And if you don't want my advice, go to Europe and be with the first women that give you a chance, and tell us if you survive it, literally.




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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

I am learning Mapudungun, fellow. It doesn't make sense I learn Aztec. Besides not all Spaniards were degenerates, or arrived in the Middle Ages LOL. My great granddad came from Spain, and was an immigrant, not a poor soldier of the 15th century, and I tell you that many Spaniards came in recent times to the New World.

And if you don't want my advice, go to Europe and be with the first women that give you a chance, and tell us if you survive it, literally.



Hernan Cortes de Monroy y Pizarro IS THE MAN!!!! Thats just fact pinguin and now that's the master race of your culture. How can you claim a singular culture like native American and spanish. When everybody from mexico to the lowest point in south America speak Spanish. Latinos are spains grandchildren. A by product so to speak and a mixture of the native and foreign  culture.

Though like the Romans their culture and language prevailed. The master country SPAIN!


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Hernan Cortes? He was a criminal. He killed his European woman.
Pizarro was more human after all. He married an Inca princess and had a daughter that moved to Spain and entered the nobility.

Spaniards a master race? Nope, they weren't so selfish to believe it so. Spaniards were tough but for some reason Indians survived more with them than with other genocidal european races.

Son. You have no idea about the region. I have no problem to teach you some of our history, but please don't repeat the stereotypes you learned in high school. Most anglosaxon teachers don't have a clue about our history.


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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Hernan Cortes? He was a criminal. He killed his European woman.
Pizarro was more human after all. He married an Inca princess and had a daughter that moved to Spain and entered the nobility.

Son. You have no idea about the region. I have no problem to teach you some of our history, but please don't repeat the stereotypes you learned in high school. Most anglosaxon teachers don't have a clue about our history.

Hernan Cortes ruled thats why you speak spanish instead of whatever dead language you named. Though I am always open to learn culture.


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Hernan Cortes ruled thats why you speak spanish instead of whatever dead language you named. Though I am always open to learn culture.


What dead languages, son? We speak Spanish because it is practical and allows us to speak a single language from Florida to the Land of Fire and from Spain to Central America.
If we need to speak Chinese to progress, we will do.

Son, don't repeat your stereotypes as a parrot.
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By the way, Hernan Cortes nor Pizarro were gringos at all. They were Hispanics like we are, so it is ridiculous you were a Cortes' avatar.
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Originally posted by Joe Joe wrote:


Hernan Cortes ruled thats why you speak spanish instead of whatever dead language you named. Though I am always open to learn culture.


What dead languages, son? We speak Spanish because it is practical and allows us to speak a single language from Florida to the Land of Fire and from Spain to Central America.
If we need to speak Chinese to progress, we will do.

Son, don't repeat your stereotypes as a parrot.

So you speak Spanish because its practical. Not because The guy in my avatar started the conquest of the new world. If it wasn't for the English everybody from North America to South America would be a latino. It is a stereotype but the history is fact. Hernan Cortes conquered the Aztecs and their culture died and Spain systematically destroyed their culture. Its also why so many mexicans are catholic. I swear to god every Easter mexican and spanish people parade through the local city dressed as romans and jesus and all that.
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Your guy doesn't have a single statue in Mexico. People of the Latin America admire heroes like Las Casas, rather than adventurers like Cortes. And with respect to the dead of the Mexican culture, you should be aware that the Virgin of Guadaloupe is Tonantzin. Never heared about the Santa Muerte?

By the way, I am agnostic.

 


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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Your guy doesn't have a single statue in Mexico. People of the Latin America admire heroes like Las Casas, rather than adventurers like Cortes. And with respect to the dead of the Mexican culture, you should be aware that the Virgin of Guadaloupe is Tonantzin. Never heared about the Santa Muerte.

By the way, I am agnostic.

 

Yeah but his effect is undeniable upon the culture of mexico. He might not directly influence but I have yet being a white male in his 20s to meet a mexican person who identified as an aztec and spoke that language. I understand Mexico fought a civil war much like we did with England and I appauld their victory in all the homage they deserve but whenever somebody brings up Mexican or Latino culture I bring up spain. Cause I knew a guy and lets call him Ed. He is an old man in his 60s who lived in europe for much of his life and hes a good friend of mine and he lived in Spain and Germany and colombia for years. Hes been to all the countries of south America in his many travels and i believe him as he knows both languages fluently. He says to this day if he had a place to pick to go to it'd be colombia or spain as their spanish is more "correct" and he may be white. Though i've seen the guy with spanish people and hes amazing its almost as if hes not an American.

I understand those cultures fought for their freedom but Spain is still the grandfather. Like here in America we would be dicks to say England isn't our grandfather nation.


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