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Originally posted by pikeshot1600 pikeshot1600 wrote:

I don't deny US involvement!  That is not the point.  What happened in Chile was done 99.99999% by CHILEANS!  Not out problem.


I don't deny Chilean involvement Confused. Another straw man in your side. But we were analyzing the U.S. interventions abroad, didn't we?  And the U.S. acted in this case like the maffia, corromping and helping the criminals.

What else could you expect of a corrupt president like Nixon.

And it is YOUR problem, because your government contracted criminals to make the dirty job! Where are the values of freedom and democracy that preaches when it acts that way?
Where is the example your country gives to the world?
Whas it the U.S. of the time better than the Soviet Union? At least, Soviets were comrades, rather than supermen.

Originally posted by pikeshot1600 pikeshot1600 wrote:


So Schneider got whacked?  So what?  That is all part of the game.  If you don't want to be in someone's gun sights in an unstable political environment, go grow grapes! 


It was not a game. It was a murder financed by the United States. The corrupt U.S. official shown in the video confessed his involvement.

Remember that once upon a time there wasn't terrorist attacks on U.S. ground. Well, Letelier attack in Washington marked the beginning of an age where terrorism attacked with force your country. I am afraid the killing of that third world politician gave the example to the others that follow, increasing little by little the mortality of the attacks, and that ended in the 9-11.

Now, I wonder if it ended, or if larger attacks will follow in the future.

Originally posted by pikeshot1600 pikeshot1600 wrote:


All your arguments are BS!  AS they are 99.99999% of the time.  LOL  


Your denial is ridiculous. Dead

Too bad your country has not learned the lesson as yet, believing it can convince the world with propaganda, when only convince Americans. Where are the guns of mass destruction in Iraq, Sir? Your country is still behaving like an immature teen, and it seems will never learn.

I am afraid truth is something too hard to accept.











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I am hearing "anti-gringo music!"  LOLLOLLOLLOLLOL


LOLLOLLOLLOL



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Here you have more. Too bad you don't understand a thing, but describes your country.

And this video shows part of the meaning.





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YouTube = pinguin's Library of Congress.

How could you be more irrelevant and ridiculous???


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Here you have the song with English lyrics. Enjoy it. This song at least shows how we judge your country.




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As usual, the Penguin, leaves out the details:
 
Interview with Col. Paul Wimert--
 
Interview with Arturo Alessandri--
 
But then the factual is not of interest here but instead the usual ratatatata--now frankly admitted:
 
Too bad your country has not learned the lesson as yet, believing it can convince the world with propaganda, when only convince Americans. Where are the guns of mass destruction in Iraq, Sir? Your country is still behaving like an immature teen, and it seems will never learn.

Now if that ain't propaganda I've never been to the Plaza de la Revolucion nor listened to a chat from Senor Presidente.
 
And for goodness sakes the pic of Porfirio Diaz was a hoot...talk about your crowned heads of Europe.
Here's another showing the wisdom of medals as a substitute for bullet-proof vests:
 
 
 
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Yes, Porfirio was a tyrane, but at least he had a sharp intuition.
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Well Penguin you'd marry the devil just to spite God!
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That's funny. 
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I liked this quote from Dr. G's link to the Penguin's Wilmert interview:

"INTERVIEWER: Do you think America had much to do with the final removal of Allende?

COL. WIMERT: No, no I really don't. Pinochet ....he wouldn't have given a damn whether the Untied States liked it or not - he would have done it. There was no worry about him and a thing like that - he was too firm. They had these secret meetings in the War College where they laid out the plans and I was able to hold of one of the plans...."

For Joe:  If you walk out of the U.S. Embassy in Mexico City, and turn right, those ladies sitting on the sidewalk selling little dolls are speaking Nahuatl. Likewise, if you drive out of Mexico City on Reforma, heading for Toluca, the capital of Mexico State, you will find a lot of places where the locals still speak Nahuatl in the home and among themselves. It doesn't make them any less Mexican, and they can all speak Spanish when dealing with outsiders.

I still see posters who refer to the Indians being "annihilated" in the U.S. (shake of head). Displaced by the sheer number of settlers arriving would be more correct, and it wasn't just in the West. The simple fact is that as North America filled up, those who clung to tribal ways were marginalized. An unbiased picture of this process can be seen in a local history on the town of Lowell, Massachusetts, entitled "Cotton Was King", edited at Arthur L. Eno, Jr., which describes the early inhabitants and settlers along the Merrimack river, and then its transition to one of the major mill towns of the American Industrial Revolution in the 1820s. The falls where the canals were built for the mills were the site of annual Indian gatherings to fish for Salmon. In the early mill years, the workers would watch the Indians as they fished. But as the town grew, and the mills expanded, salmon declined, until by the late 1800s what had been hundred of Indians fishing were then much smaller numbers. By the 1900s, salmon were a rare sight in the Merrimack, and Indians rarely seen. No great military campaigns. No made in Washington plots to 'annihilate the Redskins'. Just the simple expansion of what had been a bucolic New England farming and forest area into an industrial city. 






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What I find unsupportable is the idea that the 1973 coup in Chile was not carried out by the Chilean military and the Chilean internal security forces.  Assigning blame and responsibility to outside agency is just victimization (a common malady in modern times).

If US officials had contact with the military and said "hey a change would be in all our best interests,"  it was still the military on the spot that had to make the change.  Without the support of the military and police there would have been no coup.

What would the State Dept or the CIA have said to the Chilean high command that they didn't already know?  Doesn't make sense.  Whatever happened (and whatever happened later) was the responsibility of the Chileans, and of no one else.

 

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Nobody denied that the Chilean gorillas carried the coup. The U.S. was just an ally of them. What I wonder is how the U.S. could encourage such thugs.

Allende was a great man, Pinochet was a gorrila and thug. Nixon was a corrupt criminal. Period.


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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Nobody denied that the Chilean gorillas carried the coup. The U.S. was just an ally of them. What I wonder is how the U.S. could encourage such thugs.

Allende was a great man, Pinochet was a gorrila and thug. Nixon was a corrupt criminal. Period.
 
Allende was a poppinjay talking revolutionary change while living the capitalist "High Life". If anything he was emblematic of the typical "radical" intellectual playing the game for profit and manipulation, a type long known in Latin American circles and directly linked to the socialist personalistas of the 1930s. In all truth he was the past when he took office in 1970 and thought the old and fruitless ideas of that time had relevance to the then contemporary world. The economic implosion that actually "did him in" was the significant "canary in the coal mine" underscoring the difference between tired rhetoric from a dead past and transformed economic realities.
 
Save the hyprbole, Penguin, for Pablo Neruda. At least that's one hopeless Romantic with a significant body-of-works.
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Wow, all this music that I like is now being painted as anti-gringo music, when some isn't even that.

Stormfront couldn't have done a better job.
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Originally posted by hugoestr hugoestr wrote:

Wow, all this music that I like is now being painted as anti-gringo music, when some isn't even that.

Stormfront couldn't have done a better job.


The thread changed from music to sound and fury.  An occupational hazard of Internet groups.

As mentioned elsewhere many times, international power politics is not for pansies and weaklings.  I said all I have to say. 


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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

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Allende was a poppinjay talking revolutionary change while living the capitalist "High Life". If anything he was emblematic of the typical "radical" intellectual playing the game for profit and manipulation, a type long known in Latin American circles and directly linked to the socialist personalistas of the 1930s. In all truth he was the past when he took office in 1970 and thought the old and fruitless ideas of that time had relevance to the then contemporary world. The economic implosion that actually "did him in" was the significant "canary in the coal mine" underscoring the difference between tired rhetoric from a dead past and transformed economic realities.
 
Save the hyprbole, Penguin, for Pablo Neruda. At least that's one hopeless Romantic with a significant body-of-works.


What Allende was is not your business. All that matter is that he was elected by the people. It was our internal affairs and ours problems.
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I can't wait to hear the Heavy Metal in this thread (oh, nothing wimpy like the stuff from Gringo Starr eitherBig smile).




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Originally posted by Seko Seko wrote:

I can't wait to hear the Heavy Metal in this thread (oh, nothing wimpy like the stuff from Gringo Starr eitherBig smile). 


And nothing from that leftist John Lenin either.   Big smile


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LOL You mean the famous hit song:  All You Need is Communist LOve
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Originally posted by Seko Seko wrote:

LOL You mean the famous hit song:  All You Need is Communist LOve


BACK IN THE USSR!  Smile


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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

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Allende was a poppinjay talking revolutionary change while living the capitalist "High Life". If anything he was emblematic of the typical "radical" intellectual playing the game for profit and manipulation, a type long known in Latin American circles and directly linked to the socialist personalistas of the 1930s. In all truth he was the past when he took office in 1970 and thought the old and fruitless ideas of that time had relevance to the then contemporary world. The economic implosion that actually "did him in" was the significant "canary in the coal mine" underscoring the difference between tired rhetoric from a dead past and transformed economic realities.
 
Save the hyprbole, Penguin, for Pablo Neruda. At least that's one hopeless Romantic with a significant body-of-works.


What Allende was is not your business. All that matter is that he was elected by the people. It was our internal affairs and ours problems.
 
Now that response is a hoot! Specially coming from someone who has been more than "free" with his characterizations of politicians and historical figures from elsewhere. Besides you are playing fast and loose with the facts, Allende's small plurality guaranteed that his ascent to the Chilean presidency was not an "election" by the people. Instead, Allende succeeded to office at the pleasure of the National Congress. Such is an important footnote since it required Allende to sign the Statute of Constitutional Guarantees prior to his congressional election on 24 Ocober 1970.
 
Please be advised that when it comes to Chile you can not pull the wool over my eyes and perhaps it is time to inquire why have you been so strangely silent over the disbursal of KGB funds to the Allende candidacy throughout that year--beginning with $400,000 and even including a personal $50,000 to good old Sal--the book to read:
 
Vasili Mitrokhin and Christopher Andrew. The World Was Going Our Way: The KGB and the Battle for the Third World. New York: Basic Books, 1999.
 
Yuri Andropov's KGB was very efficient in the recording of their "extraordinary" expenditures.
 
By the way, you should take cognizance that between 1960 and 1962 I had the personal friendship of Eduardo Frei Montalva who was a regular visitor to my uncle's residence in New York City while he lectured at Columbia University--I was even a young guest at his seminars!


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Originally posted by Seko Seko wrote:

LOL You mean the famous hit song:  All You Need is Communist LOve


What about this song by the drug addict Rolling Stones. I bet you love it.


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Originally posted by pikeshot1600 pikeshot1600 wrote:


BACK IN THE USSR!  Smile


Give peace a chance:



Yes. There are many anti-yankee tunes, in English as well LOL





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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

 
Now that response is a hoot! Specially coming from someone who has been more than "free" with his characterizations of politicians and historical figures from elsewhere. Besides you are playing fast and loose with the facts, Allende's small plurality guaranteed that his ascent to the Chilean presidency was not an "election" by the people. Instead, Allende succeeded to office at the pleasure of the National Congress. Such is an important footnote since it required Allende to sign the Statute of Constitutional Guarantees prior to his congressional election on 24 Ocober 1970.


He was the President legaly elected. He was murdered (or forced to commit suicide) by the gorilla and puppets of Nixon.

Allende has a statue right beside the government house. There is a reason for it. People appreciate his sacrifice.

Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

 
Please be advised that when it comes to Chile you can not pull the wool over my eyes and perhaps it is time to inquire why have you been so strangely silent over the disbursal of KGB funds to the Allende candidacy throughout that year--beginning with $400,000 and even including a personal $50,000 to good old Sal--the book to read:
 
Vasili Mitrokhin and Christopher Andrew. The World Was Going Our Way: The KGB and the Battle for the Third World. New York: Basic Books, 1999.
 
Yuri Andropov's KGB was very efficient in the recording of their "extraordinary" expenditures.


So what. We know the U.S. financed the Christian Democrat party.
That's not something we really care. We care when money flew to kill our people.
 
Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

 
By the way, you should take cognizance that between 1960 and 1962 I had the personal friendship of Eduardo Frei Montalva who was a regular visitor to my uncle's residence in New York City while he lectured at Columbia University--I was even a young guest at his seminars!


Interesting. You should know that former President Frei Montalva was killed by the gorilla as well. I bet you are informed about that, though.

Frei also has a statue close to the Presidential house. Both presidents were killed by that gorilla.


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Originally posted by hugoestr hugoestr wrote:

Wow, all this music that I like is now being painted as anti-gringo music, when some isn't even that.

Stormfront couldn't have done a better job.


Well, the song that you love above can have many readings. Not only anti-gringo but better anti-war, anti-violence and anti-militarism.

Something like Pink Floyd's Welcome to the Machine




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You fight phantoms, Penguin, Pinochet is dead as well and if you keep up that type of rant it would probably serve as good evidence that a future Pinochet or Allende will appear on the horizon. You can mythologize the immediate past all you want but be aware that a facts-check meter is ticking. You very well know that Judge Madrid was removed from the "Frei Murder case" case and that the purported "poisoner", Berrios, had been safely dead since 1995. We will not bring up the fact that this scenario played out in the background of pending Chilean elections in December of 2009. Nor shall we muse about Madrid's involvement in the Berrios case as well--
 
 
Keep me informed as to the whens and ifs...now that Alejandro Madrid is out of the picture. Anyway, Sebastian Pinera Echenique won the run-off so obviously the majority of Chileans have moved on and this time no national Congress "picking" between politicians with pluralities. Perhaps it is also time for you to move and stop fighting with ghosts.
 
 


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As for your musical tastes, P old boy, when are you going to dredge up Where Have all the Flowers Gone (Koloda Duda)...teary socialists love Pete Seeger's derivative ditty from the Old Ukrainian!
 
 


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Yes, Pinochet died, and Nixon was unmasked as a thug. Let's celebrate.







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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

Keep me informed as to the whens and ifs...now that Alejandro Madrid is out of the picture. Anyway, Sebastian Pinera Echenique won the run-off so obviously the majority of Chileans have moved on and this time no national Congress "picking" between politicians with pluralities. Perhaps it is also time for you to move and stop fighting with ghosts.
 


Pinera is anti-fascist, my dear friend. I voted for him. The processes against the criminals have not stopped.
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