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    Posted: 08 Oct 2011 at 17:55
We witness the huge racism against Mexican immigrants in the U.S.A., particularly in some south western states. It is quite curious that in a country ruled by a black of Kenyan ancestry, this racism is so evident and widespread. Even more, Obama himself has done nothing to stop it, no matter he knows Hispanic voters helped him to get elected.

So, what's going on in "America" today? It is a crime today to discriminate a black, but doing so with Mexicans is not only allowed but encouraged?

Are Mexicans the new Native Americans?

Or, in other terms, why "Americans" hate so much the Indian blood?

Please, clarify this.




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Mexicans are accustomed to racism since racism is so common in Mexico itself-the darker a person's skin in Mexico the lower their place in society-Oaxacans for instance are called Tacos after browned meat.

Two rich white women recently beat a dark skinned policeman in Mexico city and weren't even prosecuted.

If you'd ever been to Mexico you'd know this and lots more-your pathetic attempt to troll the board and start another argument with Gonzaga is just that.
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It is baseless. Black represent a continent, and Mexicans a country. Race and Nationality are different matters, so it is not racism it is nationality bias.

Surprisingly, I have observed this attitude among other Hispanics more than Americans; specially Salvadoreans and other central Americans. They despise Mexicans as illiterate jalapeno eaters.

Btw, if you can just give yourself a break. It seems you have nothing to do other than bashing Americans on every single thread. It is ayatollah's attitude to blame everything on old fox, Britain, or great Satan, US! You are only one step behind them. They blame Israel, cancerous  tissue (as they call it), is conspiring to take over the world and kill all Muslims.
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Originally posted by whalebreath whalebreath wrote:

Mexicans are accustomed to racism since racism is so common in Mexico itself-the darker a person's skin in Mexico the lower their place in society-Oaxacans for instance are called Tacos after browned meat.

Two rich white women recently beat a dark skinned policeman in Mexico city and weren't even prosecuted.

If you'd ever been to Mexico you'd know this and lots more-your pathetic attempt to troll the board and start another argument with Gonzaga is just that.


Pathetic troll? When it is so clear the hate the anglosaxon population has against the Mexicans? A hate that is expressed directly against them, without any restrain, while they can't do the same againsts blacks!



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Originally posted by Harburs Harburs wrote:

It is baseless. Black represent a continent,


What is baseless is that "Black" represent a continent. Bantues are not the only race that lives in Africa. You forget there are Berbers, Arabs, Ethiopians, Malgaches, Pigmies, Bushmen, Europeans, South and East Asians, too? That's the problem with "blacks". They believe they own Africa.

Originally posted by Harburs Harburs wrote:


and Mexicans a country. Race and Nationality are different matters, so it is not racism it is nationality bias.


Very pathetic reasoning. We are talking about the average Mexican here, the small mestizo that jump to the U..S. We aren't talking about Vicente Fox or Luis Miguel LOL

Originally posted by Harburs Harburs wrote:


Btw, if you can just give yourself a break. It seems you have nothing to do other than bashing Americans on every single thread. It is ayatollah's attitude to blame everything on old fox, Britain, or great Satan, US! You are only one step behind them. They blame Israel, cancerous  tissue (as they call it), is conspiring to take over the world and kill all Muslims.


Well, they started it first. Particularly with sweet Teddy, the bear. Never forget it. Here, a cartoon about the foundation of Panama.






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Again discrimination against dark skinned individuals and identifiable groups like gays and the handicapped are everyday occurrences in Mexico-if you'd ever been there you'd know that.
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Originally posted by whalebreath whalebreath wrote:

Again discrimination against dark skinned individuals and identifiable groups like gays and the handicapped are everyday occurrences in Mexico-if you'd ever been there you'd know that.


Sure, but that isn't the point.
The point is how come only the people with indigenous origins are discriminated in the United States, and -by the way- in Canada as well. (Remember that in that country a refugee from Bangladesh or Biafra is treated better than a Cree).

Why the Anglosaxons don't remember this continent was Amerindian for tens of thousand years before the Europeans brough alliens from all over the old continents to the New World?


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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Originally posted by whalebreath whalebreath wrote:

Again discrimination against dark skinned individuals and identifiable groups like gays and the handicapped are everyday occurrences in Mexico-if you'd ever been there you'd know that.


Sure, but that isn't the point.
The point is that you have never been to Mexico and know nothing about Mexican people and their particular world view or social situations.


Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

The point is how come only the people with indigenous origins are discriminated in the United States, and -by the way- in Canada as well. (Remember that in that country a refugee from Bangladesh or Biafra is treated better than a Cree).

Why the Anglosaxons don't remember this continent was Amerindian for tens of thousand years before the Europeans brough alliens from all over the old continents to the New World?

How laughable-you know nothing about the USA either except what you've gleaned from  US based sources online .
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You don't seem to know much about Canada either.
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Originally posted by whalebreath whalebreath wrote:


The point is that you have never been to Mexico and know nothing about Mexican people and their particular world view or social situations.


Baloney. The point IS NOT Mexico. If Mexicans move to Holly U.S. is looking for better conditions, equality and freedom.

Something that the American propaganda machine promises to everyone, but that only blacks have achieved there.

Originally posted by whalebreath whalebreath wrote:


How laughable-you know nothing about the USA either except what you've gleaned from  US based sources online .


I know enough about the U.S.A. to be scare of even visiting it.



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Originally posted by Dawn Dawn wrote:

You don't seem to know much about Canada either.


What has to be known about Canada, except its hypocresy, and the permanent discrimination against the natives there?
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:


Originally posted by Harburs Harburs wrote:


Mexicans belong to a country. Race and Nationality are different matters, so it is not racism it is nationality bias.

Very pathetic reasoning. We are talking about the average Mexican here, the small mestizo that jump to the U..S. We aren't talking about Vicente Fox or Luis Miguel LOL

They still considered Mexican-Americans which represent their national origin not race, so yes your respond seems pathetic and lame. Even yourself started this thread about Mexicans not Hispanics! The whole Idea of people being treated sickly because they have Native American blood is just garbage. Here, many whites have native American blood. I personally haven't seen any one being treated different or haven't heard any sick or racial remark about them by white Americans. There is a dislike about illegal immigrants because they have crunched job market for struggling ordinary class. This has been directed toward illegals by all sections of societies including legal Mexican Americans and Blacks. This is a common ordinary reaction. How do you feel if millions of illegals pour down to your country and cities and take yours and your children job opportunities? what will be your reaction?


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Originally posted by Harburs Harburs wrote:


They still considered Mexican-Americans which represent their national origin not race, so yes your respond seems pathetic and lame. Even yourself started this thread about Mexicans not Hispanics! The whole Idea of people being treated sickly because they have Native American blood is just garbage. Here, many whites have native American blood.


Ha. That's not argument. As a castizo, I can assure you that mestizos and castizos are usually some of the most fanatic racists Confused

Originally posted by Harburs Harburs wrote:


I personally haven't seen any one being treated different or haven't heard any sick or racial remark about them by white Americans. There is a dislike about illegal immigrants because they have crunched job market for struggling ordinary class. This has been directed toward illegals by all sections of societies including legal Mexican Americans and Blacks. This is a common ordinary reaction. How do you feel if millions of illegals pour down to your country and cities and take yours and your children job opportunities? what will be your reaction?


It is not what appears daily in CNN Spanish, which documents daily all the struggle of the Mexicans and other Hispanics in the United States.


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second quotation (first sentence) I said about native Americans. In a daily base slight nationality or racial biased is a normal thing (though not appropriate). If there is a profound racial hatred then it is something to be worried about.
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Certainly, I agree. 
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

 
Baloney. The point IS NOT Mexico. If Mexicans move to Holly U.S. is looking for better conditions, equality and freedom.

Something that the American propaganda machine promises to everyone, but that only blacks have achieved there.

Surely you jest. Having a half-black president does not mean that the USA has overcome decades of racial prejudice. Having lived in both the North and the South, I can tell you that discrimination is still alive in well, whites to blacks, blacks to whites, blacks to Hispanics, (*gasp*) hispanics to blacks, Arabs to little people... everything. Don't try to pretend that folks in the USA are inherently more racist than any other people in the world. Many people are skeptical of people that look different from them. Does this make it any better, of course not, but don't pigeonhole one people as extra racist without taking a good look at everybody. 

Oh, and Obama can't personally combat racism. Did people really think that one (half) black president would immediately solve centuries of bigotry?

Besides, Arabs probably receive worse due to their race and religion. 

Originally posted by pinquin pinquin wrote:

 I know enough about the U.S.A. to be scare of even visiting it.

C'mon! It's only scary right now because people have Halloween decorations out. 


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Originally posted by Kaysaar Kaysaar wrote:

 
Surely you jest. Having a half-black president does not mean that the USA has overcome decades of racial prejudice. Having lived in both the North and the South, I can tell you that discrimination is still alive in well, whites to blacks, blacks to whites, blacks to Hispanics, (*gasp*) hispanics to blacks, Arabs to little people... everything. Don't try to pretend that folks in the USA are inherently more racist than any other people in the world. Many people are skeptical of people that look different from them. Does this make it any better, of course not, but don't pigeonhole one people as extra racist without taking a good look at everybody. 

Oh, and Obama can't personally combat racism. Did people really think that one (half) black president would immediately solve centuries of bigotry?

Besides, Arabs probably receive worse due to their race and religion.


Certainly, I don't pretend that the U.S. is worst than other places, and that's not what I have said. I just tried to argue that Mexicans suffer permanent discrimination in the U.S., regardless than other groups suffer discrimination as well. The only difference I see is that, unlike others, the discrimination against Mexicans usually end in deportation.

Originally posted by Kaysaar Kaysaar wrote:


Originally posted by pinquin pinquin wrote:

 I know enough about the U.S.A. to be scare of even visiting it.

C'mon! It's only scary right now because people have Halloween decorations out. 


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Take a look at this an chill out! It is not only Mexicans! :)

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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Certainly, I don't pretend that the U.S. is worst than other places, and that's not what I have said. I just tried to argue that Mexicans suffer permanent discrimination in the U.S., regardless than other groups suffer discrimination as well. The only difference I see is that, unlike others, the discrimination against Mexicans usually end in deportation.

I hesitate to call anything permanent, but I'll concede that Mexicans bear a large brunt of discrimination, but I don't think that the motivations are purely race driven however. As is mentioned above, Mexicans bear a large brunt of angst and ill-will from Americans because of illegal immigrant and perceived "job stealing." Additionally, most anti-Mexican discrimination does not end in deportation, because most Americans care too little, or are too lazy to report any Mexicans that they have a problem with to the INS. If you're referring to discrimination and deportation as federally sanctioned discrimination, then I feel that is a large stretch as well. The course and INS simply execute the immigration laws of the federal government, regardless of nationality. There is a greater perception of Mexican deportation because there are likely a greater percentage of Mexican illegal immigrants than any other immigrant group. 

I hope that post is coherent - it's late and I'm tired.


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Well, the perception among Latin Americans that watch the news on CNN Spanish is clear: anglosaxon xenophoby.
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Hmmm... Okay. I am sorry Pinguin, but this thread is absurd. Not saying that the US hasn't a problem in dealing with it's illegal immigrants, but i have  to agree with Kaysaa's analysis. Now on the flip side to your query, i would like too suggest you look into Mexico's problem with how it treats it's illegal immigrants/irregular immigrants. A report from of all sources, Amnesty International, titled under Migrants (Just scroll down):

The number of migrants crossing the border into the USA reportedly declined, while deportations to Mexico increased. Irregular migrants in Mexico faced abuses such as extortion, beatings, kidnap, rape and murder by officials or criminal gangs that often operated with the complicity of local authorities. Those responsible for these crimes were virtually never held to account. Federal legislative reforms reduced the punishment for the offence of illegal presence in Mexico from imprisonment to a fine. Detention prior to repatriation remained the norm for almost all migrants. Training for migrant officials on child protection rights was increased. The UN Special Rapporteur on the human rights of migrants visited Mexico in March and expressed grave concern at the treatment of Central American migrants.

  • In April, photos taken of a joint migration services and navy operation to detain irregular migrants in Las Palmas, Niltepec municipality, Oaxaca State, were published in the media. The images, which showed migrants being subject to beatings and humiliation, were confirmed by eyewitness testimony. Nevertheless, migration services and the navy denied that abuses took place.
  • Father Alejandro Solalinde and co-workers at the hostel in Ciudad Ixtepec, Oaxaca, which provides migrants with humanitarian assistance and documents abuses against them, faced repeated threats in reprisal for their work.

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Have things gotten markedly better for the irregular migrant in Mexico in the last year or two?
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Certainly. I won't deffend Mexico, because, after all, if Mexico were a great country why anyone would leave it. But the topic here is not Mexico or how Mexico treats foreigners. I very well established that the topic is how Mexicans are treated in the U.S.


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Of course. My point was basically your view hasn't much merit to it. The issue you are trying to point out is that it is a race issue, when others have been trying to point out to you that it is mostly an economic issue that has only taken on one of importance only this last decade. Prior to that, most people in the US sympathized with those fleeing from the horrid conditions in their own countries.

By the way, i added that report from Amnesty basically as a counter balanced comparison to your view between the two countries, just for the scale of how immigration officials from both treats those detained under their care.


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Perhaps it is not a racial issue but only xenophoby. But for the Mexicans living in the U.S. that doesn't make any difference.
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I think the animosity aganist black dates back to the Red Indian days, the history has been the witness to the cruelity subjected on Red Indians, blacks etc., The Mexician bias is an continuity of the erst while era.  However much we try to think that Colour has no basis but unfortunately the whites thinks otherwise. What is surprising is that President Obama being a black is doing nothing about it.
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This thread deserves enshrinement in the Mead Hall as serious warning to the consequences of irresponsible imbibing subsequent to a propitiatory libation. How are "Mexicans" treated in the US? The answer is simple: No different than any other nationality, and in some respects even more privileged before the law given bilateral treaties. Now as for those dastardly Anglo-Saxons lording it over everyone according to CNN, I am sure that Time-Warner would be the first to deny that any such misinformation ever escaped their corporate offices and are probably now hot in search for these purported villainous barbarians.
 
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The Irony is, the racial biased view is deeply rooted in Indian civilization and society as whole. All caste system and treatment of untouchable Dalits are among worst cases. I don't expect any Indian (except dalits) to lecture Americans about racism.
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Originally posted by Harburs Harburs wrote:

The Irony is, the racial biased view is deeply rooted in Indian civilization and society as whole. All caste system and treatment of untouchable Dalits are among worst cases. I don't expect any Indian (except dalits) to lecture Americans about racism.


Certainly. You should never forget that India was formed by two races: the Indoarians and the Dravidians, with the Indoeuropeans at the control. And no matter they are quite mixed by now, it is still possible to perceive racial differences among the Indian population. And in that sense it is not very different from the racism in Europe, with the difference that the scale was marked by a caste system ruled by religion. But racism is not confined to Indoeuropeans, because Arabs and other peoples have also long "traditions" of racial hierarchies.




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...Now as for those dastardly Anglo-Saxons lording it over everyone according to CNN, I am sure that Time-Warner would be the first to deny that any such misinformation ever escaped their corporate offices and are probably now hot in search for these purported villainous barbarians.
 


Fortunately, the divisions of Time-Warner are quite independent between them, and I can bet the big audience that CNN-Spanish has in the U.S., in Hispanic America and Spain it is due to the loyalty that media has with the region, and its peoples.


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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

...Now as for those dastardly Anglo-Saxons lording it over everyone according to CNN, I am sure that Time-Warner would be the first to deny that any such misinformation ever escaped their corporate offices and are probably now hot in search for these purported villainous barbarians.
 


Fortunately, the divisions of Time-Warner are quite independent between them, and I can bet the big audience that CNN-Spanish has in the U.S., in Hispanic America and Spain it is due to the loyalty that media has with the region, and its peoples.


 
Penguin please despatch to me asap some of those hallucinogenic halibut you've been feasting upon because were you an employee of CNN you'd be out the door quicker than Rich Sanchez for your own racist tirades!
 
 
As I said before, the tenor of this thread ensures that it belongs either in the Mead Hall or as the lonesome companion of that Xingu samba. To pretend otherwise simply means someone is entertaining a script for Comedy Central.
 


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