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    Posted: 08 Jun 2019 at 22:28
Mohamed Noor's lawyers have asked the presiding Judge to sentence him to two weeks imprisonment per year for the unprovoked shooting of an Australian woman.

ARE THEY SERIOUS?

Noor shot and killed an unarmed woman (wearing her night clothes) after she had reported what she thought may have some sort of assault taking place near her home.Angry

On arrival at the scene, Noor, a police officer, drew his service firearm and shot her dead, later claiming that he had suspected an ambush situation.

He was sentenced to 12 1/2 yrs in prison.

Now, members of the Somali community, of which Noor is a part, are protesting that he's the victim of racism.

ARE THEY SERIOUS?

Would they have protested had the victim been black?Angry


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What were the given reasons for the sentence?
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Is this a case that happened in the United States?

The fact that she is Australian, or the fact that he is Somalian _should_ have nothing to do with the case (unless someone is arguing for a pattern of behavior, although that would smack of profiling).
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

Is this a case that happened in the United States?

The fact that she is Australian, or the fact that he is Somalian _should_ have nothing to do with the case (unless someone is arguing for a pattern of behavior, although that would smack of profiling).

  
Spot on. Her nationality has nothing at all to do with his sentence, nor has the fact that he's Somali by birth. Forget all of that.

FACT: An unarmed woman, having called the police, was shot and killed by one of those attending.

I never supported the charge of Murder 1, Noor's act, IMHO, more one of gross negligence, manslaughter.

Again, IMO, the sentence of 12.5 years is appropriate, and a non-parole period of 9-10 years would have been appropriate too.
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I don't like Noor's comment here, what was he thinking? Did he want to see if he could get away with it bc everyone is so absurdly PC? Did he want to know if he could kill with immunity? 
There were other shootings involving this officer and they are going to reopen those investigations. 
The local police were not shy about trying to protect Noor and themselves from this third degree murder charge. Noor is talking about race after he takes this innocent woman from her family, it's disgraceful, very sad. The jury was instructed to convict for third degree if they felt that the defendant had a depraved state of mind, not a drive your car into a crowd depravity- reckless disregard for human life, depravity. So the sentence came from that finding of depravity. 

"Had other cops went to jail and been prosecuted the same way, I would say, 'OK, I'm happy with the result.' But this really tells me, the system is really only made for one audience, and that's the white audience," Abdirahman said.


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Actually that Noor is a Muslim may have much to do with it, she was not only an unarmed woman, she was also an 'undressed' woman (in her nightclothes).  A few years back there was a story in Saudi Arabia where a girl's school caught fire, and the girls were prevented from fleeing, because they weren't dressed properly.  Noor probably found her threatening to his 'sensibilities,' especially since she was coming at him.  As a police officer in Somalia or Saudi Arabia, he probably would have gotten off with a stern look, if that.  He would be 'someone' in Somalia, and she would be no-one.  Here he gets charged with murder, and the Somali community thinks its "unfair."

The Democrats say, "come to this country, we love you just the way you are."  Assimilation?  Assimilation is a bad word, you don't have to give up anything to become an American, what a silly idea.
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Quote Assimilation is a bad word, you don't have to give up anything to become an American, what a silly idea.

I agree with you. We have the situation in Australia where "multi-culturalism" was the flavour of the decade. All we see now is the migrants all settling into their own "cultural" communities, and not attempting to join the wider community. I give this as one reason that so many young migrants fall foul of the law, they live in a home with one culture while surrounded by a different culture - they're confused.

BUT, I'm not condemning NOOR alone, there have been a lot of people killed in the USA by police in very dodgy circumstances, and very few charged.

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The problem is, is that people think they can gain, without paying a cost.  It is not a question of whether you pay a cost, it is a question of how you will pay a cost.  By telling someone like Noor that he can be just like he was in the old country, cost something of his humanity.  In a tribal society, something like that is "okay" because the attitude is us and them.  Obviously, "we" are the good guys, and "they" are the bad guys, no matter what the story is.
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Perhaps Noor will serve as an example of why aspiring police officers should be carefully screened, including psychiatric screening.

IMHO, the fact that so many police have escaped charges and conviction over dodgy shooting of members of the public, is a disgrace.

I'm not sure if cultural differences really explain what's happening.
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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Perhaps Noor will serve as an example of why aspiring police officers should be carefully screened, including psychiatric screening.

IMHO, the fact that so many police have escaped charges and conviction over dodgy shooting of members of the public, is a disgrace.

I'm not sure if cultural differences really explain what's happening.
Think of  the officers who get killed bc they cross paths with wanted, desperate criminals. You see cases of law enforcement being killed when trying to serve the community vs someone being killed bc they wanted to exploit or bring violence to the community.
Noor was a pretender at least when it came to whitey, she posed no threat to him by all accounts.
We can only conclude that individuals are capable of anything no matter what image is presented to the world. 
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