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Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl returned

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    Posted: 01 Jun 2014 at 22:34
I'm sincerely glad he is free. But the deal struck remains an ominous one.

http://www.voanews.com/content/five-taliban-in-prisoner-swap-were-most-senior-afghans-at-guantanamo/1927144.html
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[QUOTE=Arlington]I'm sincerely glad he is free. But the deal struck remains an ominous one.

http://www.voanews.com/content/five-taliban-in-prisoner-swap-were-most-senior-afghans-at-guantanamo/1927144.html[/QUOTE]
 
 
Mate, I have to agree with you.
 
I still wonder why he wandered off from his base. Did he have a mental breakdown?
 
It's the only explanation I can give, what about you?
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No telling Toyo..maybe. Or it was wandering around looking for drugs or who knows. But after 5 years of being on slim rations and no doubt being force fed hours of Islamic indoctrination viz the Koran. All the while of being accused of being accused as a spawn of the great satan.

He probably is now. wacked that is.

Another question is why was he allowed off the base. Security there was supposedly extremely tight. How did he get off then. And will he be charged with AWOL? Disobeying a lawful order?

Probably not.

He'll end up on a VA waiting list get a pension and disappear. hopefully he will recover and hopefully he can give the spooks some good intell.
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Originally posted by Arlington Arlington wrote:

No telling Toyo..maybe. Or it was wandering around looking for drugs or who knows. But after 5 years of being on slim rations and no doubt being force fed hours of Islamic indoctrination viz the Koran. All the while of being accused of being accused as a spawn of the great satan.

He probably is now. wacked that is.

Another question is why was he allowed off the base. Security there was supposedly extremely tight. How did he get off then. And will he be charged with AWOL? Disobeying a lawful order?

Probably not.

He'll end up on a VA waiting list get a pension and disappear. hopefully he will recover and hopefully he can give the spooks some good intell.
 
I agree. Security must have been extremely poor to permit him to simply walk away.
 
But, as Obama is pulling troops out, do you think any intel is now too late?
 
 
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I would surmise it's not tactical intell they would want. Though any gained or confirmed might be useful. Location equipment etc. But I'd guess it would be CI related.

Iow. what techniques and torture did they use on him and so forth.
Were they standard or is their a priority of a particular set of techniques used.

All that is valuable from the SERE perspective.

''Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape''

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survival,_Evasion,_Resistance_and_Escape


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''Gen. Dempsey: Army may still pursue desertion charge for Bowe Bergdahl''


''"Like any American, he is innocent until proven guilty. Our Army’s leaders will not look away from misconduct if it occurred."

Any decision on disciplinary measures will be up to the Army, Dempsey said in the interview. He said he does not want to pre-judge Bergdahl or say anything that might influence Army commanders.''



''Bergdahl, 28, left a small observation post in eastern Afghanistan in the early morning hours of June 30, 2009, without informing anyone, three former members of his 30-man platoon said in interviews Monday. In his one-man tent, they said, they found Berghdahl’s rifle, helmet, body armor, night-vision goggles and other gear neatly stacked.

The former soldiers said Bergdahl had expressed disillusionment with the way the Army was conducting the U.S. combat mission in Afghanistan and had made off-hand comments about walking into the mountains or walking to India...







...Calling Bergdahl a deserter, the soldiers said he should be held accountable for possible violations of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. They contended that several U.S. service members died in direct or indirect connection with the massive 90-day search for the missing sergeant.''


http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-dempsey-deserter-soldier-20140603-story.html


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Arlington: I agree. Reports in todays paper say that all he kept with him was a compass, and that he'd told other soldiers that he intended to walk to India.
 
a. A pretty unrealistic goal, with no money, no food or water and in enemy territory; and
 
b. The terrain is such that he wouldn't have made it unaided anyway.
 
Looks to me like me may have had a breakdown.
 
Now that his mates have turned on him, the military may have no option but to charge him with breaches of the USCMJ.
 
 
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A mental health issue if you ask me, not surprising given the violent and ludicrous conditions military personnel found themselves in, given the ambiguous and ever changing nature of this intervention. Some shot themselves, some came home and then lapsed into dysfunction with PTSD.

When asking people to kill or be killed, a massive and overriding imperative is needed, and without which it will be normal to expect desertion, mutiny, poor performance, and extensive psychological ramifications flowing from the experiences of those put in such positions.

Washington lost its course, and wandered in the wilderness of foreign policy decisions. So is it so bad an individual did?
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Originally posted by Captain Vancouver Captain Vancouver wrote:

A mental health issue if you ask me, not surprising given the violent and ludicrous conditions military personnel found themselves in, given the ambiguous and ever changing nature of this intervention. Some shot themselves, some came home and then lapsed into dysfunction with PTSD.

When asking people to kill or be killed, a massive and overriding imperative is needed, and without which it will be normal to expect desertion, mutiny, poor performance, and extensive psychological ramifications flowing from the experiences of those put in such positions.

Washington lost its course, and wandered in the wilderness of foreign policy decisions. So is it so bad an individual did?
 
Unfortunately, US government policy decisions, especially Executive Orders are pretty well unfettered.
 
It's sad that a young man signs up to defend his country and its values, but then when called upon to face others in a life or death situation, he finds himself unable to cope.
 
Bergdahl had some options. As a soldier he was bound to obey orders, including his deployment to a combat zone. If he found that he couldn't handle the pressure he could have self reported and had himself removed on medical grounds. I accept that he would have been under tacit peer group pressure, but self reporting would have been better than deserting.
 
The consequence of his desertion was that, from memory, three of his mates were killed while searching for him.
 
Now that he's alive and well and soon to be returned to the USA, his true nightmare is just beginning.
 
 
 
 
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Most recent TV News clip shows Bergdahl  commenting on reasons for his and others desertion.
 
Could well be "Aid and Comfort to the Enemy".
 
 
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Then he is in deep doda.

All the anti-American postulations over right or wrong intervention and the trauma associated with it; potentially is nothing new. Just rehashed Toyo.

Different names different time..still the same trash.. bash the nation but hold no individual accountable. We saw this with the American revolution forward.

You were spot on in your analysis. He signed a legal and lawful contract..swore a legally binding oath and then for what ever reason, than using his command chain.. to alleviate his problems, he hopped over the fence.

Best defense is a psycho or he went out, changed his mind and was captured prior to the 30 day time limit for desertion. He will be politicized but even the Obama had to slow down the heroic rhetoric today. Susan Rice as usual played this as he's a hero. What a dolt.

The Generals are rightly laughing at her stupidity.


You are not a hero when you go AWOL in a combat zone and potentially cause deaths of those sent out to search for you. Those who would whitewash that have no idea what they opine.

Looks like an oath breaker and deserter. God have mercy on him because if the DA charges him he's done. Best he can hope for is life and an Obama commutation to 30. Worst? He stands in front of a wall.

Granted he has to be given due process..but the primary evidence is overwhelming.

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Final note. I'm no expert in military law. So I haven't got a clue really whether he will prosecuted. It looks bad. But if he isn't he will rightly or wrongly probably become an anathema.

Here's a article stating different outcomes if any. And it appears that much information remains contradictory.

http://www.businessinsider.com/bowe-bergdahl-probably-wont-be-court-martialed-2014-6
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