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    Posted: 26 Nov 2019 at 14:32
I’ve been reading Japanese history these days especially around Asuka, Nara and early Heian periods around the year 600 to 1000.Smile

Do you know how gruesomely the times proceeded during those periods in Japan? ConfusedIt was full of betrayal, killing by poison and magic spell, murdered within relationships of very close relatives, grudges, thaumaturgy, and purging away one’s sins, etc.. Due to the imperial succession, many princes who had the possibility to succeed to the throne were killed in ancient times.

 

It started with the 中大兄皇子(Naknoooenuoji)(next successor of the emperor) and中£鎌足(Kamatari) who were good buddies and defeated 蘇我入鹿(Iruka)and 蝦夷(Emishi) at so-called £申の乱( Jinshinnoran)Jinshin-war in 673. After that, 軽皇子(Karu) became the emperor, not the Nakanoooenuouji, But this time he gracefully gave his place to Karu(later become 孝徳天皇the emperor of Koutoku). This practice was the same graceful attitude made by 聖徳太子(shotokutaishi). His legendary being, and having never become the emperor, but having supported a woman emperor behind him, his political part was so respectful that 中大兄皇子wanted to succeed him as a legend.

 

Many emperor succeeded as the year has passed but in 729, the successor was only a girl, 阿部内親王(Abenainishinno). His little brother was born from the 帝(Mikado), the only emperor with his first wife, but died in a month, at the same time 2nd wife 県犬養広刀自(Agatainukainohiroji) delivered a boy baby. However, the problem was that the 2nd wife was not from as graceful a family as the first wife. So, the choices were that, whether they choose woman emperor or to choose the boy emperor, noone decent was qualified. Finally, in 738, 阿部内親王(孝謙天皇)a woman emperor was established.  However, after inheritance, she was not allowed to get married, so of course, she could not have a child.

 

Many conspiracies and rumors surrounded her. One of the rumors which had been written in the official book was that she had a love affair with 道鏡(Dokyo, that she depended on him so much that she listened to his opinion about policymaking. At last, she even made him become the next emperor even though he was just one of the priests. The truth has vanished into thin air. However, I think those times (even now) women were always treated badly in history, so this story was also fake or falsified by the politically powerful group who took power in history.

 

There were many gruesome murderers because of the privileges that the successor of the next emperor will be given. 桓武天皇(Emperor Kanmu)was the ill-famous emperor . He installed his half-blooded little brother (different father and same mother) 早良(Sawara)as the prince when he was appointed as the emperor, but later when his favorite 藤原種継(Tanetsugu) was assassinated by somebody, he doubted his bro, and then Sawara was killed.  After that Kanmu's mental disorder escalated his mental disorder. He hired many 陰陽師(Onmyoji)magic spell to curse the opponent to death etc..

 

Before the 平安京capital(Heiankyo), 平城京(Heijokyo)and 長岡京(Nagaokakyo)were built and believed to continue to live there meant to live with those curses, that’s why they have changed their living place as castles. However, believing in the ancient, official books, such as 日本書紀、新日本書紀、続日本紀、日本霊異紀 was too simple-minded. They had a biased view on gender, and described losers with a very negative way and wrote the people on the victory side as they wished.

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So you have looked into ancient history of Japan, but also how it has been distorted, do you think Japan has gotten better in its objectivity in its view of history in modern times?  Or do you see room for improvement?  I ask because Japan's relationship with its neighbors in the 20th century has been rather rocky (China, Korea, East Asia Co-prosperity Sphere), but Japan seems to want to ignore problematic issues from the past an hope they will go away. 

Of course, Japan and the US seem to me to have a fairly blessed relationship.  I think Perry was good for opening up Japan, particularly because he wouldn't let samurai provoke him into a fight, but at the same time, he would also not leave.  From what I understand samurai could come out in small boats and shoot arrows at his ships, but that didn't hurt anything.  Perry could have fired on the small boats, but that would not do anything useful.  Other lesser men might have been angry about the arrows, but Perry knew not to get angry about them.  Japan's response was also very appropriate, whereas other non-Western cultures were colonized, Japan was not.  Japan never really fell into that trap.  However, I do feel that Japan did not appreciate a lot of its traditional arts during the Meiji Restoration, and some was lost or destroyed at that time.  Probably not as severe as the Chinese Cultural Revolution.  There was an American named Fennilosa (sp?) who recognized the beauty of much that was being thrown out of temples at that time, and bought a lot of things, bringing them back to Boston.  Maybe a similar motive encourages your interests in ancient Japan?  Forgive me for bringing up more modern issues.

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Of course, there is a double "play" with my tag for worldhistoria.  In Japanese class I was franciscosan (my family name is francisco), but in California there is San Francisco (named after Saint Francis of Asissi).  I am Protestant, but I do like St. Francis. 
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I apologize for pressing on Japan and the issues of its neighbors.  These of course, are in the past, but it does seem like they sometimes haunt the present.  In many ways I have a great love for Japan and things Japanese, and I want her to do well.  But, to me that also means she should strive for peace with her neighbors.  Of course, she _does_ get along with them fairly well, but matters relating to WWII do seem to continue.   Again, forgive me, but I am curious on the matter, but also continue on ancient Japan, and Japan's relationships with it ancient neighbors.

Is Nara the capital of Japan in the ancient times?  But, also, I hear that Nara was the ancient capital, but I also hear that there were different little fiefdoms ("daimyo"?) ruling themselves, and so I don't really know what it means for Nara to be the "capital."  Or, later, that Kyoto became the capital, I don't know what that means.  Maybe the Emperor?  I do know that the Tokugawa Shogunate changed the capital from Kyoto to Edo (Tokyo).  I think that is a great idea, move the capital to clean away all the parasites (mooches).  The ?Bureau of Land Management? under President Trump is moving from Washington DC to Gunnison, Colorado, I wonder if the Bureau's move will do something like the move from Kyoto to Edo.  Most of the Bureau land is in the West, so it makes sense that the Bureau in the West.

I mentioned earlier Fennellosa (sp?) and his art collection in Boston, Massachusetts, Vanuatu lives in Massachusetts, although I don't think she is that near to Boston, maybe she can go and see it some day.

Oh, one story from Japanese history I love, is the story of the kamikaze (divine wind) and the defeat of the Mongols, _not_ the modern kamikaze pilots but the original ancient kamikaze that devastated the mongol fleet.


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Thank your for your interests, Franciscosan, SmileHeartWink

IMO, regarding the surrounding country’s antipathy towards Japan really lying for us and they never seem to forget and forgive us.  In reality, Japan has satisfactorily compensated them in terms of money(well if they say, it's not enough, it's not enough). But the problem was the diplomacy or attitude to those victims in Asia.  Japanese people, in general, are very polite and kind and considerate of the subtle things of people’s emotions, etc. However the diplomatic relations between the surrounding countries, Japan is terribly awkward.  Sorry if it may sound rather offended to all of you, the US and Korea and China and others, but it’s always the victory side that they can describe how the whole picture of the war looked like. Even how many times Japan bowed our head to them and apologize both mentally practically, Japan would never be permitted of the past and endlessly being condemned, representing their resentment by building statues of Korean comfort women everywhere in the world as appealing to the world that they never want to forget the humiliation given by Japan.  Compared to British colonization, it is so much different. British national policy was colonization and imperialism that the "civilized Britain" colonized the uncivilized Asian countries and therefore they got resources, man-power, exploited from labor work and made England prosperous. But after India Sepois

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Rebellion_of_1857



 Indian soldiers rejected going abroad and rebellion continued and finally, in 1857 sepoi war?broke out.  After that, the British no longer want to intervene in other’s countries’ personal matters, such as religious and mental issues, but they consider more on the benefit of unequal treaties. Their fluffy(I usually say this way ふわ£としたmeans that they do not brainwash them but they take only good part of the resources from them)  Their way of colonization was very excellent, whereas Japan forced Korean and Chinese to speak the Japanese language, to do this and that and behave just like Japanese, as they tried to brainwash them. People may say Japanese soldiers those times were so violent brutal and inhumane. However, if you study Japanese samurai, you would know.  Japanese basic living style was samurai, which was not free thinker, contributed to the nation (or the emperor), sacrificing themselves and the dedication level was unimaginably high. No individual freedom or anything and they had to obey if the superior order them etc. Lacking the international mind led them like that, demanding people in the colony behaved the same way.  


On the other hand, if you take a look at Taiwan, it was successful in a way.  Still now, many people in Taiwan aged over 70 or 80 who remembered the time when they were governed by Japan a beautiful memory.  Japan contributed a lot to them in those days, built the Taiwan first national university etc.  


Regarding, Perry. 

明治天皇誕生1852年翌年、ペリー提£率いるアメリカ合衆国東インド艦隊が日本近海に現れ、長く続いた鎖国から開国へ進まねばならなか£た。二百年以上続いた太平の世に£れ、武備は弛緩し人心は萎縮していた頃、次々と列強及びロシアが詰めかけ交易又キリスト教禁令£除等を求めてきた。


After Perry, Japan had to open its market to the world.  More than 200 years, Japan had been shutting the door to the world, socalled isolation policy, so after that so many things dramatically changed. Iwakura shisetsudan was the very good practice.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iwakura_Mission


Thanks to this study abroad to the US, they opened their scope and eventually affected good way to Japan.  


I will write more when I have time. SmileSmileSmileSmileSmile


Again, sorry for my poor English and limited knowledge.   Hopefully, you'll be able to understand what I wrote lol



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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

I ask because Japan's relationship with its neighbors in the 20th century has been rather rocky (China, Korea, East Asia Co-prosperity Sphere), but Japan seems to want to ignore problematic issues from the past an hope they will go away. 

Dear Franciscosan, It seems that Japan wants to ignore the past but the problem is they(we?) don't have a custom to have discussion democratically.  Neither have we learned in school, nor within family members.  But individual level,  slowly we are improving thanks to the technology advancement like SNS.  The other problem is that there are no one, except me, (just kidding) speak out to the world because of difficulties of English writing about such sensitive matters.  That's why we cannot make our voice heard to the world.  But actually everyday, in Japan people talk about this issue thru Twitter among their peers.Confused
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