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    Posted: 15 Aug 2009 at 07:49
Whilst Australia's history pales in comparison to that of almost everywhere else, we do still have some interesting events and people. In particular, the early explorers of Australia, ranging from sailing voyages of the colonial powers, right up to the inland foot-explorers in the 19th century. I learned a lot about them in year 5, and can always remember them as being a standout interest in terms of our history.

So this thread is for discussion about the explorers of Australia - who do you most admire, who achieved the most and bore the greatest legacy. Remember, I am not just talking about Cook and La Perouse here; included as well are the numerous explorers of terrestrial Australia.

Soon, I'll post about Charles Sturt Smile

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Now. Darwin and Murray, the guys who managed to get a river-system named after them, are the ones of whom I can say a few words. I hope I remember it right though. Didn't they traverse the continent from one side to the other?
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You mean 'Darling'?

The Murray part of the Murray Darling was actually named after Sir George Murray, who I don't recall was actually an explorer. It was named that by Charles Sturt (who I will post about soon) on one of his earlier expeditions out to Western New South Wales/Northern Victoria. Sturt was accompanied by Hume on this expedition, who was one of the two (him and Hovell) first Europeans to discover the Murrary River. There were a number of other early mappers of the Murray along with Sturt and Hume - John Oxley for instance.

I wasn't sure about the 'Darling' part of the name. Seems again that it was Sturt and Hume who discovered the Darling - the Murray's longest tributary. Does anyone know who Darling was?
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One interesting scientist that followed James Cook on his first voyage was Daniel Solander (1733-1782) from Sweden. He was one of the botanists that gave rise to the name Botanists Bay (which later became Botany Bay) the place were Cook first landed in Australia.

In 1768 Solander had been employed by the British naturalist and botanist Joseph Banks, to join him on James Cook's first voyage to the Pacific Ocean on board the Endeavour. Solander helped make and describe an important collection of Australian plants while the Endeavour was beached at the site of present-day Cooktown for nearly 7 weeks, after being damaged on the Great Barrier Reef. These collections later formed the basis of Banks' Florilegium ( a collection of copperplate engravings of the plants collected by Banks and Solander).

 

 

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Originally posted by Knights Knights wrote:


I wasn't sure about the 'Darling' part of the name. Seems again that it was Sturt and Hume who discovered the Darling - the Murray's longest tributary. Does anyone know who Darling was?
 

General Sir Ralph Darling, GCH (1772 to 2 April 1858) was a British colonial Governor and the seventh Governor of New South Wales (from 19 December 1825 to 22 October 1831).

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Darling

 

 

In 1828 the explorer Charles Sturt was sent by the Governor of New South Wales, Sir Ralph Darling, to investigate the course of the Macquarie River.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darling_River

 

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I kept meaning to start a post like this!

I was gonna start a post about John Oxley and Captain Logan (the man who explored/founded the area that I live but work and drinking keep getting in the way :( )


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Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

Originally posted by Knights Knights wrote:


I wasn't sure about the 'Darling' part of the name. Seems again that it was Sturt and Hume who discovered the Darling - the Murray's longest tributary. Does anyone know who Darling was?
 

General Sir Ralph Darling, GCH (1772 to 2 April 1858) was a British colonial Governor and the seventh Governor of New South Wales (from 19 December 1825 to 22 October 1831).

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Darling

 

 

In 1828 the explorer Charles Sturt was sent by the Governor of New South Wales, Sir Ralph Darling, to investigate the course of the Macquarie River.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darling_River

 



Excellent! Thanks Carcharodon. So it seems both Darling and Murray were honoured by giving their names to our longest (but pathetic on a global scale) river system!


Balaam - the thought only came to me today, and I thought it would be a nice shift away from your typical history forum topic Smile

Feel free to share about Oxley, because I don't know as much about him. Hadn't even heard of Logan!
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Well in the state I am I can remember that John Oxley (did a project on him in year 7 lol) went traveling to lands west of Bathurst (actually past a plague dedicated to him once but didn't get to stopCry),  then discovered Port Macquarie, and also Brisbane Smile.

As for Captain Logan there is a plaque across the highway from me for him and intend to take a photo of it and many other historic sites around the area for another post if I remember.


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Means that I failed. And yes, Darling. :P Darwin's in a completely other location...
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Strezleki is my personal favourite, I think he must've just disliked people.
Starts in Prussia, leaves to join the army, finds it too hard, runs off to run a property in Russian Poland. Political problems ensue, so leaves for England, and then to Australia in 1839! Not satisfied with being in a very small place, he leaves again and heads into the bush "exploring". After that, he goes to Tasmania, China, India, and Egypt eventually ending up back in England.

Although I have to admit, I have a soft spot for Lasseter
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Might i mention John MacDouall Stuart here?

This stupid bugger walked Australia South to North and back again. In his own defence he was from Dysart ( a town on the south coast of Fife) and he didn't have access to the internet.... 
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Although it is at a distance from Australia east into the Pacific Ocean, the history of the settlement of Pitcairn Island is quite interesting.
 
Most of the 50 or so inhabitants are descendants of a band of mutineers from a British ship who defected sometime in the middle of the eighteenth century and discovered the island.  From what I can tell it is one of the last territories of the old British Empire and is under the responsibility of the UK for military protection.


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The Bounty Mutineers, yes. Actually it was under the protection of New Zealand, nearly all of the British Empire's Islands in the pacific are run by either Australia or New Zealand.

In any case, about 2-3 years ago after a long running child abuse scandal the New Zealand government decided that it was too hard to police Pitcairn and sent a naval ship to remove all of Pitcairn's inhabitants. They are now all in New Zealand, and Pitcairn is uninhabited.

PS. And it certainly isn't one of the last territories of the old British Empire. New Zealand, Australia, and Canada are all still territories of the British Empire. So is half the pacific.

The name of the country escapes me now, but there was one island nation that was jointly administered by France & England until sometime recently (last 30 years max). The Brits wanted to pull out, but wouldn't do so without the French, so the French agreed, the Brits pulled out, and the French changed their mind. The Brits then sent in the Australian Army to fight the french out. My boss served in the operation.
The funny thing was, most of the French Foreign Legion were also Australians, because the French wouldn't trust the islanders with bullets. So the main battle turned into a case of throwing as many insults and beer cans as bullets. (Or so my boss says anyway)


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That sounds as a decent invasion, Omar. Imagine them throwing beercan in Normandy as well... hehe
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Burke and Wills, what an epic!

The tragedy in achieving what they did, and for only John King to survive through the hospitality of the aboriginal people. These men crossed some of the most inhospitable terrain on earth, and their accomplishment is itself a symbol of how a single continental landmass succeeded in becoming one nation with a common culture and identity. Among the New World nations, this itself is something to be immensely proud of. Thank you for your sacrifice gentlemen, you have done us proud.
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I've always thought that Burke and Wills is more an epic of stupidity than anything else. If anything, Burke and Wills got themselves killed by making incredibly silly decisions.

Incidentally, Dost Muhammed Khan, one of the members of the expedition who stayed at Coopers Creek liked the area so much he lived the rest of his life at Menindee on the Darling, where he is now buried.
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Originally posted by Omar al Hashim Omar al Hashim wrote:

I've always thought that Burke and Wills is more an epic of stupidity than anything else. If anything, Burke and Wills got themselves killed by making incredibly silly decisions.


IIRC there was a movie about those two that showed how wrapped up in themselves they were, so arrogant and ignorant they refused to eat  fish offered by the Aborigines.


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Originally posted by Omar al Hashim Omar al Hashim wrote:

In any case, about 2-3 years ago after a long running child abuse scandal the New Zealand government decided that it was too hard to police Pitcairn and sent a naval ship to remove all of Pitcairn's inhabitants. They are now all in New Zealand, and Pitcairn is uninhabited.
 
Wow, I did not know this.  Did they put up some kind of fight against the New Zealand government's agents?  Were they armed when the agents went to remove the inhabitants?  It seems to me that with such a close-knit community the Pitcairn Islanders would not have taken kindly to this.
 
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Originally posted by Omar al Hashim Omar al Hashim wrote:

In any case, about 2-3 years ago after a long running child abuse scandal the New Zealand government decided that it was too hard to police Pitcairn and sent a naval ship to remove all of Pitcairn's inhabitants. They are now all in New Zealand, and Pitcairn is uninhabited.

A simple Google search would have shown what nonsense this is-I noticed but hoped you would edit your post.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitcairn_Islands

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Originally posted by whalebreath whalebreath wrote:

Originally posted by Omar al Hashim Omar al Hashim wrote:

In any case, about 2-3 years ago after a long running child abuse scandal the New Zealand government decided that it was too hard to police Pitcairn and sent a naval ship to remove all of Pitcairn's inhabitants. They are now all in New Zealand, and Pitcairn is uninhabited.

A simple Google search would have shown what nonsense this is-I noticed but hoped you would edit your post.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitcairn_Islands   
 
Wikipedia certainly is not an accurate source of information in a historical discussion.  Even less is it a source for independently verifying something like this.
 
Do you have something constructive to add to the discussion?
 
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Originally posted by whalebreath whalebreath wrote:

Originally posted by Omar al Hashim Omar al Hashim wrote:

In any case, about 2-3 years ago after a long running child abuse scandal the New Zealand government decided that it was too hard to police Pitcairn and sent a naval ship to remove all of Pitcairn's inhabitants. They are now all in New Zealand, and Pitcairn is uninhabited.

A simple Google search would have shown what nonsense this is-I noticed but hoped you would edit your post.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitcairn_Islands

Whoa, excitable. Do you have an emotional attachment to this or something? Which part are you objecting to?
The child abuse scandal is well documented, 7 of the 15 adult men on the island were charged or something.
Their removal was reported maybe a year to 2 years ago. You're right there do seem to be many contradictory links, however I am certain this was reported (I will not vouch for the reliability of the media though)
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Sorry, but Whalebreath's addition was constructive.  There's nothing wrong with checking the facts first, before we post. Try this NPR link, and note no mention of taking away all the islanders.  http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=103569364
I followed this story in the Aussie papers at the time, and all I remember was the difficulty of the investigation, and the relatively lenient sentences passed upon the perpetrators. One of the descendants of Fletcher Christian was among the accused. Likewise, the tale of the unknown island where the Aussie Army battled the French seems more an old grog story. Never heard it from any of the Aussie military contacts I've known and associated with over the past 41 years. Nor have I heard anything similar from the French in either the 80s or 90s. As Omar himself states, ..."or so my boss says".
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Quote Likewise, the tale of the unknown island where the Aussie Army battled the French seems more an old grog story. Never heard it from any of the Aussie military contacts I've known and associated with over the past 41 years. Nor have I heard anything similar from the French in either the 80s or 90s. As Omar himself states, ..."or so my boss says".

That is an old grog story, it is certainly exaggerated, which is why I added the last line. The conflict was real though, I have just forgotten where it was.
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Originally posted by lirelou lirelou wrote:

Sorry, but Whalebreath's addition was constructive.  There's nothing wrong with checking the facts first, before we post.
 
No it was not constructive.  Posting a link to Wikipedia alone is not.  However, if we have more news articles to look at concerning the the events, perhaps something close to the truth can be deduced.
 
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Maybe one can just phone them and ask?
 
 
Pitcairn Islands Office
P.O. Box 105 696
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Indeed as mentioned anyone with an internet connection can send an email to Pitcairn and thus enlighten themself. Clap

Having visited the South Pacific a number of times I'm perhaps more informed than the average internet poster but still it's best to 'measure twice/cut once' as the saying goes.

Better luck next time. LOL


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Back to Knights Australian Explorers....Mathew Flinders sailing around Australia and mapping the coastline in his 30 foot clipper? He pretty well closed the book on sailors exploring Australia.
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