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I think the natural comparison would be from slaves to robots.  Some might assume that emotionally, the slave has their emotions all bottled up and stunted, kept in check lest the master get angry.  Of course, whether it would actually be that way, I am not sure.

It is not slavery, but I think of the Forrest Whittiker(?) movie the Butler(?), where Forrest is a butler in the White House and the butler always stays emotionally detached from the situation.  The best kind of service is "invisible," it is like something 'magically' appears in _anticipation_ of someone needing something.

Robotics and machinery has in many ways substituted for slavery.  Or rather, it has substituted for work, which has substituted for slavery.

truthsetsfree, I hope you sometimes feel/know the beauty in the world too.  Sometimes someone at the coffeehouse would do something that would "step on my toes."  I would want to confront them and call them out on it.  But instead of doing so, I would hold off next time I saw them, thinking that maybe there was a reason for what they did.  Inevitably, I would realize that they didn't act against me, they just acted and they were totally oblivious about its affect on me.  If I did confront them, well then I would have to explain why their action affected me, but that was too complicated and so I would just forget the whole thing.  Sometimes people _are_ mean/cruel/cold, but a lot of the time they are just stumbling through life, oblivious and running into things and other people.  While I would like to be an exception to that rule, if I am honest with myself/others, I know that I am not:P
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Captain Vancouver Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Oct 2015 at 14:43
Originally posted by truthsetsfree truthsetsfree wrote:

Originally posted by caldrail caldrail wrote:

Quote Robots are sort of slaves.

Nope. They are not. They are machines and have no personality other than behaviour programmed into them by us. This idea that robots are some sort of 'species' crops up all over the place, from big screen animations to Star Trek, and indeed, Isaac Asimov wrote a whole series of novels based on the concept of robots in general use within society. It's merely anthropomorphism, the putting of a human face on something non-human, that underpins this sort of idea.

You could argue that life is nothing more than biological machinery and I have toaccept that is broadly true (on the cellular level, incredibly so - each of our cells has a swarm of little protein 'robots' carrying nutrients and such to where the cell needs them. Bizarre, but apparently true. They even have simple limbs to get around).

Worse still, the boundary between animate and inanimate matter is not well defined. There are materials that display properties they really ought not to without falling into the animate category. But then, we're made of the exact same materials as the rest of the universe, so for my part, understanding what life is encompasses huge subleties. I think the mistake many people make is to assume, as you might readily do, that we are all unique coherent biological constructs. It can be shown that we are in fact a colony of specialised cells whose function is the sum total of their parts. Nature doesn't program us to react to others in that light - we see human beings and behave instinctively toward them. However, this recognition is a biological convenience rather than any true perception.



(I don't like they way "nope they are not" seems/comes across to me, but maybe you are just being casual or similar. I have had troubles elsewhere with smart-ass internet forum posters and/or academics who think they are all-right gods and i am just an all-wrong dog. People who are deep/high in Arthurian/Sumerian knowledge have used words/attitude like that to me/others.)

Yes they are not human/personalities. Maybe they are maybe they aren't *sort-of* (abit like) slaves/servants (to us if not to themselves). Others have said they are [abit like] slaves.

"Life" is like nothing more than machinery when i think of how humans have enslaved other humans and how we use animals.
They say "*More than* the sum total of the parts". Nature is not God. Human instinct is part fallen. No wonder people are so mean/cruel/cold.


Your captain must admit that I/confess/relate/share, that your posts leave me lacking/short of/uninformed of/ essential information that would make them seem sensible/coherent/rational/or containing reading material to peruse over for more than a moment or so, before having semi/almost/close to nostalgic remembrances of pharmaceuticals taken in the heady days of the '60s, from which your captain hopes there are no lasting artifacts. Well, heck, maybe there are. Do you have to remind me? Maybe your could try the Google translater. It would be fun if nothing else.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote wolfhnd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Oct 2015 at 14:48
Originally posted by Captain Vancouver Captain Vancouver wrote:

Originally posted by truthsetsfree truthsetsfree wrote:

Originally posted by caldrail caldrail wrote:

Quote Robots are sort of slaves.

Nope. They are not. They are machines and have no personality other than behaviour programmed into them by us. This idea that robots are some sort of 'species' crops up all over the place, from big screen animations to Star Trek, and indeed, Isaac Asimov wrote a whole series of novels based on the concept of robots in general use within society. It's merely anthropomorphism, the putting of a human face on something non-human, that underpins this sort of idea.

You could argue that life is nothing more than biological machinery and I have toaccept that is broadly true (on the cellular level, incredibly so - each of our cells has a swarm of little protein 'robots' carrying nutrients and such to where the cell needs them. Bizarre, but apparently true. They even have simple limbs to get around).

Worse still, the boundary between animate and inanimate matter is not well defined. There are materials that display properties they really ought not to without falling into the animate category. But then, we're made of the exact same materials as the rest of the universe, so for my part, understanding what life is encompasses huge subleties. I think the mistake many people make is to assume, as you might readily do, that we are all unique coherent biological constructs. It can be shown that we are in fact a colony of specialised cells whose function is the sum total of their parts. Nature doesn't program us to react to others in that light - we see human beings and behave instinctively toward them. However, this recognition is a biological convenience rather than any true perception.



(I don't like they way "nope they are not" seems/comes across to me, but maybe you are just being casual or similar. I have had troubles elsewhere with smart-ass internet forum posters and/or academics who think they are all-right gods and i am just an all-wrong dog. People who are deep/high in Arthurian/Sumerian knowledge have used words/attitude like that to me/others.)

Yes they are not human/personalities. Maybe they are maybe they aren't *sort-of* (abit like) slaves/servants (to us if not to themselves). Others have said they are [abit like] slaves.

"Life" is like nothing more than machinery when i think of how humans have enslaved other humans and how we use animals.
They say "*More than* the sum total of the parts". Nature is not God. Human instinct is part fallen. No wonder people are so mean/cruel/cold.


Your captain must admit that I/confess/relate/share, that your posts leave me lacking/short of/uninformed of/ essential information that would make them seem sensible/coherent/rational/or containing reading material to peruse over for more than a moment or so, before having semi/almost/close to nostalgic remembrances of pharmaceuticals taken in the heady days of the '60s, from which your captain hopes there are no lasting artifacts. Well, heck, maybe there are. Do you have to remind me? Maybe your could try the Google translater. It would be fun if nothing else.

Welcome back, it's time for more interesting topics hint hint
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote caldrail Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Oct 2015 at 22:29
Quote Your captain must admit that I/confess/relate/share, that your posts leave me lacking/short of/uninformed of/ essential information that would make them seem sensible/coherent/rational/or containing reading material to peruse over for more than a moment or so, before having semi/almost/close to nostalgic remembrances of pharmaceuticals taken in the heady days of the '60s, from which your captain hopes there are no lasting artifacts. Well, heck, maybe there are. Do you have to remind me? Maybe your could try the Google translater. It would be fun if nothing else.

Maybe/possibly/perhaps/optionally proper use of grammar might be worth considering.
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