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    Posted: 29 Aug 2017 at 08:39
Just made short educational video on the Aztec military and related topics such as warrior culture, army structure and Empire governing. This is the first time I have tried taking on a subject in military history and I wonder if there are any military history buffs on the forum who can give their own opinions on the subject. Feel free to tear me to pieces if you think it´s necessary.

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Interesting, I never quite understood before how the conquistadors were able to conquer the Aztec Empire.  I am not sure which is more violent, war to kill the opponent, or war to capture the opponent so that you could later rip his heart out.  I wonder what 'the Art of War' would say about such an adoption.
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The Art of war would probably say "kill your opponent".
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Originally posted by Quill & Ink HIstory Quill & Ink HIstory wrote:

The Art of war would probably say "kill your opponent".

The Aztecs were a "civilized" organised people. I don't understand why they didn't overpower the Spanish.

Yes the Spanish had armour, horses and superior weapons, but the Aztecs, who vastly outnumbered them and had home ground advantage, allowed themselves to be conned in many cases into surrendering, in the hope that the Spaniards would simply leave. Very niaive.




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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Originally posted by Quill & Ink HIstory Quill & Ink HIstory wrote:

The Art of war would probably say "kill your opponent".

The Aztecs were a "civilized" organised people. I don't understand why they didn't overpower the Spanish.

Yes the Spanish had armour, horses and superior weapons, but the Aztecs, who vastly outnumbered them and had home ground advantage, allowed themselves to be conned in many cases into surrendering, in the hope that the Spaniards would simply leave. Very niaive.


There was a prophecy and Montezuma ll thought the Spaniards were the future people. And that Cortez was an incarnation of Quetzalcoatl, who has a messiah nature. Cortez also showed up on a significant day on the Aztec calendar.

1507–1520: The Coming of the Lost White Brother

At the height of the Aztec Empire, a collective vision existed among priests and citizens alike that bearded visitors from across the eastern sea would soon appear on their shores. All native American peoples of that time shared a vision of the return of Pahana, the lost white brother. The Hopi Indians said that if Pahana returned with the symbol of the cross, this showed he had not kept a balance between his inventions and his spirit and he would bring a holocaust upon the native Americans. A string of evil omens assailed the Aztec Empire at the advent of the white brother. There was famine, an eclipse, an earthquake and the cold light of a comet bathing the capital city for several months. All were seen as omens of imminent doom.http://www.hogueprophecy.com/2007/05/famous-fulfilled-prophecies-4-aztec-prophecies-montmorency/



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Hogue seems pretty fringe.  The account you give, Vanuatu, may be accurate, but I can't say I trust it if it comes from Hogue.  One problem with prophecies, is that something significant happens, and _then_ someone writes a prophecy for it, attributing it to an earlier time.  Or before the fact, one has a prophecy going one way, another going the other way, and afterwards one presents the "correct" one.  Yes, there may have been a prophecy of Quetzalcoatl.  But, also a lot of those subject states, when the Spanish came, saw a chance to even the score for all the brutality they had faced.  It wasn't just the Spanish going up against the Aztecs.  A lot of people did not like the Aztecs, they may have chosen one tyrant instead of the other, but in the mean time it gave a chance for revenge.  So it is not just armor, horses, steel, guns, but a whole lot of allies.

In one sense you're right, toyomotor, the aztecs were civilized in that they had cities, etc.  In another sense though, they are very uncivilized, neither civilized in the modern sense, nor the "noble" savage.  
As far as the aztecs are concerned, one side of me says that every culture has something unique that should be preserved, the other side of me, however, again as far as the aztecs are concerned, says good riddance.   
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

Hogue seems pretty fringe.  The account you give, Vanuatu, may be accurate, but I can't say I trust it if it comes from Hogue.  One problem with prophecies, is that something significant happens, and _then_ someone writes a prophecy for it, attributing it to an earlier time.  Or before the fact, one has a prophecy going one way, another going the other way, and afterwards one presents the "correct" one.  Yes, there may have been a prophecy of Quetzalcoatl.  But, also a lot of those subject states, when the Spanish came, saw a chance to even the score for all the brutality they had faced.  It wasn't just the Spanish going up against the Aztecs.  A lot of people did not like the Aztecs, they may have chosen one tyrant instead of the other, but in the mean time it gave a chance for revenge.  So it is not just armor, horses, steel, guns, but a whole lot of allies.

In one sense you're right, toyomotor, the aztecs were civilized in that they had cities, etc.  In another sense though, they are very uncivilized, neither civilized in the modern sense, nor the "noble" savage.  
As far as the aztecs are concerned, one side of me says that every culture has something unique that should be preserved, the other side of me, however, again as far as the aztecs are concerned, says good riddance.   

The account of Montezuma's belief written by Cortes to Charles V isn't fully accepted, although it is what high school history textbook says. It does make sense that time, ethnicity and changing mores determine what we learn to be true.


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Quote The account of Montezuma's belief written by Cortes to Charles V isn't fully accepted, although it is what high school history textbook says. It does make sense that time, ethnicity and changing mores determine what we learn to be true.

Whether it's true and accurate or not.

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