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    Posted: 29 Jan 2011 at 02:03
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68R_7MoUJfE
Complete with the guy from band of brothers "new videogame technology" and that Rome total war music we all know and love.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sarmat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Jan 2011 at 07:53

Joe, we don't just post the links to the videos or articles on our forum. Some essential comments are needed from your part.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote drgonzaga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jan 2011 at 02:47

Hmm...why the video and just which battle are we going to discuss as "significant": AD 323, 378, 1205, 1365, 1829, 1878, 1913, or the Greek imbroglio of the 20s? OK the little map narrows matters somewhat but hey not by much.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Joe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jan 2011 at 11:04
Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

Hmm...why the video and just which battle are we going to discuss as "significant": AD 323, 378, 1205, 1365, 1829, 1878, 1913, or the Greek imbroglio of the 20s? OK the little map narrows matters somewhat but hey not by much.


I wanted to make a Battle of Adrianople thread and I felt the TV show was adequately historically accurate.
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Let's all concentrate on the topic, and thanks to Joe for raising it.

The Battle of Adrianople is often cited as the watershed in Late Classical history marking the transition from the classical to medieval world. Specifically, the rise of cavalry. This thesis is not without its opponents, however.

I think it would be correct to claim that Adrianople is one of those battles in which a heavily armed cavalry force was able to outmaneouver and defeat infatry which had been isolated without flanking over. It would also be fair to say that after this battle the cavalry arm in much of Europe became recognised as a much more effective and decisive element in its own right. But this develoment owes as much to the decline of disciplined and professional infantry as a force (with many of them becoming part timers and levy troops) as it does to the introduction of he high backed saddle and the stirrup.

As the Middle Ages proved every once in a while, a properly disciplined infantry force with decent morale could prove fatal against a determined cavalry charge. Less than two centuries later at Taginae, Narses taught this to Totila. Harold Godwinson nearly won his victory at in 1066 when his shield wall held off the Norman knights (he lost because his disciplined troops broke formation to pursue a feigned retreat). The Flemish also proved the effectiveness of disciplined infantry at the Battle of the Golden Spurs, and let us not speak too much of Swiss halberd formations.

Despite all that, Adrianople in 378 marked the beginning of a new era in which poorly disciplined feudal levies remained vulnerable to the superior momentum and maneouverability of mounted troops.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68R_7MoUJfE

I put the link in. The other one did not work. Watch entire program for the entire idea of the battle and like Constantine said The hypothetical transfer between classical and medieval.


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