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    Posted: 20 Jun 2012 at 11:27
Although the major battle was on land, one major factor to the outcome of the war was based on Naval issues. When Liu Bei was attacked and defeated by Cao Cao in a city outside of Sun Quan's territory, Cai Mao surrendered to Cao Cao, giving him a large amount of shipsthat could transport soldiers to Cao Cao's camp across the Yangtze River near Red Cliff. The northern soldiers under Cao Cao's control were not very capable of operating the Ships because they were not adapted to the environment of the Southlands, having almost unpredictable winds and an unpredictable change in fog paterns. Sun Quan had allied with Liu Bei, apointing Zhou Yu and Lu Su to higher positions. The strategist for Liu Bei was Zhuge Liang, who was able to predict weather changes, influencing battle maneuvers.
 
According to legend, Zhou Yu was given 3 days to get Cai Mao in so much Trouble that he would be beheaded. If Zhou Yu did not complete this task, he would be beheaded. One night, He wrote a letter, counterfeiting Cai Mao's handwriting (including typical gramatical errrors that Cai Mao would make), saying that " I was forced into surrendering and now I am trying to sabotage the entire battle." The letter was found and given to Cao Cao, and having read it, he ordered Cai Mao's immediate execution. He did not realize that he had just perilized half of his naval forces. The next day, the person who had found the letter was poisoned by his tea at a massive feast on the grounds of the camp.
 
Another part of that legend was that while Zhou Yu was given 3 days to write the letter, Zhuge Liang was given 3 days to get 100000 arrows or he would lose his head. To do this, Zhuge Liang and Lu Su were given a few ships lined and covered with straw, including scarecrows to make the ships look like it was full of soldiers. When the real soldiers used the war drums and fired arrows (intentionally missing), Cai Mao's archers fired at the drums due to the fact of a dense fog. Zhuge Liang and Lu Su were in the forward ship when arrows continually hit the hull in massive waves. The ships were covered in so many arrows, that they had to turn and allow Cai Mao's archer's to shoot again so the ships would not capsize. When Cai Mao returned (semingly victorious), Cao Cao was holding the letter and this act proved the letter to be so. So Cao Cao beheaded Cai Mao.
 
In reality, on the night of the battle at Cao Cao's camp, the naval forces under Zhou Yu had mounted fire barrels on the bows of the ships to destroy Cao Cao's navy. Suddenly, the wind changed to Zhou Yu's advantage, so Cao Cao could not counter attack with fire. Cao Cao's navy was perilized becaused the ships were linked together with iron chains. As the southern navy was adavancing, Cao Cao was unable to do anything. By the end of the next day, Cao Cao was retreated in another state, the entire northern navy was burned away, along with Cao Cao's camp. The majority of the southern and northern armies were destroyed. It is said that although the Southlands were successful, there was no true victor.
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I have just started to get into this topic, all of the things that you mentioned happened in the modern movie series, both the legends and the factual events though in the movie the two allies are glorified at the end as victors 
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Under the film, and many legends, although the Southlands won the battle, it came at the cost of the majority of Lui Bei's, and Sun Quan's armies. THe outcome of the battle cused the Three Kingdoms, Sun Quan controlling Wu, Liu Bei controlling Shu, and since Cao Cao died, Cao Pi forced the emperor Xian to abdicate, calling his state Wei. This made the Marquis Zhuge Liang correct that there would be a "power triangle" after the battle. These three nations continued to fight until all three were basically mirroring eachother, causing them to downfall, with the exception of Wei, which became Jin under the Sima Clan. Technically, even if the Southlands gained a victory from the Cao clan, they failed within 100 years.
在財富的害處,而是一件好事永遠不持續。我在和平中仅居住在新的風下。 Wei Jia Hong No harm in wealth, but a good thing doesn't last forever. I live only among peace under
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It depends on which movie you're talking about. The most recent one that I recall clearly highlighted that "there were no winners in this battle."

 
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