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Originally posted by Reginmund Reginmund wrote:

Our innocence may have been lost at some poit, but I think it's possible to reclaim it.
Proverbially and biblically surely our innocence was lost when we began to cover our bodies?
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Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

To find a persons body visually offensive is in a way to show contempt for that person, after all it is how he/she really looks. Maybe it is time that we liberate ourself from the grip of old religions that in their core are hostile against sexuality and even to humanity itself.
 
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Originally posted by Carch Carch wrote:

To find a persons body visually offensive is in a way to show contempt for that person, after all it is how he/she really looks.


Not really. It just shows disapproval for a behaviour (not respecting common social norms), and that's fine.

Originally posted by Carch Carch wrote:

Maybe it is time that we liberate ourself from the grip of old religions that in their core are hostile against sexuality and even to humanity itself.


What makes you think that social norms like these MUST come from religion?

Originally posted by gcle gcle wrote:

The bodies most people are ashamed of are their own.


Very true.
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when a man sees a topless/naked woman, who thinks he can control his reaction? notice i did not say action, but reaction. we all know what that reaction is, even if he stops his mind afterward he has been violated mentally because this reaction was thrust upon him without his consent! if i post a link but dont say what it is or lie, and you click on it and see a picture of my genitalia or even my man boobs then i would get banned and rightly so. whats the difference in doing it in person on a public street? there is a COC in life, and those who violate it shouldn't be surprised if they get "banned"!

so who is it that doesn't want you to see topless women on the street? it's you're wife! who is it that wants your wife to go around topless in public? everyone but you!

i can already hear it, "but it's natural", where's a tree to hug when i need one? defecation is natural too, do you want someone doing that on the public sidewalk in front of your business?

restrictive clothing? there is no law that states women have to wear something tight, form fitting or even a bra. oh please, women don't dress up for men anyway, they dress up for other women! at home a woman will kick back in sweats with her hair in a ponytail, but if "want to go out to eat honey?", "sure, just let me put on my face and get dressed"! vanity, thy name is woman! a woman who is topless in public, does it for the reaction, not in spite of it.

someone earlier implied that men can go where ever they want while shirtless. that's not true. there are almost as many "no shirt, no shoes, no service" signs in the usa as men's room signs. every restaurant, or store of any kind has one on the front door. they're every where else too. men who run around without a shirt aren't idolized for it by anyone! if i see a guy without a shirt, i wonder what hay wagon he just fell off of.

a friend of mine is a flasher. he was going to retire but with the bad economy, he decided to stick it out another year!

see! public nudity is funny, not cultured!


Edited by gruvawn - 05 Mar 2010 at 02:28
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Parnell, The Civil Rights movement's swing to entitlement must be measured against the background of LBJ's Great Society, itself an outgrowth of the FDR years, when big government was seen as the solution to the nation's ills. (Which in some cases, it was.)

As for the direction of this thread itself, I believe that attitudes towards full or partial public nudity arise from each society. When in Rome... etc. Women from the Highland tribes of Southeast Asia routinely went about bare-breasted in my youth. But whenever they came in contact with Americans, they covered up. I asked several of my tribal friends which aspect of a woman they found most erotic, and they tended to hips and eyes. When asked about sucking on a woman's breasts, their reply was: 'Who steals milk from their own child?" It was considered unmanly. One advantage to living adjacent to them was the we were soon disabused of the illusion that all breasts were equally attractive. They, specifically the Rhade and Jarai, were a matriarchal, matrilineal, and matrilocal society where the clan lands were owned by the oldest woman, or 'Po Lan'. Men owned their clothes, tools, and weapons, and little else. Yet there were clear divisions of labor, and village chiefs were invariably men, as were most sorcerers. War and hunting were male activities. Their unwelcome neighbors, the Vietnamese, were extremely puritanical (which was no impediment to the Vietnamese birth rate). With the defeat of the nationalists in 1975, the new government decreed that clan longhouses were forbidden, and that Highland dress would have to conform to Vietnamese standards of decency. At least it was done intelligently. Tribal patterned cloth was used for fashioning blouses, and male loincloths were manufactured complete with front and back flaps resembling those of the American Indians. They were partially successful. The great majority of men no longer know how to tie a loincloth, hanging both flaps to the front and right side, and leaving a sumo wrestler style twist up the cleave of the buttocks. Yet on a bus trip from Ban Me Thuot to Dalat last year, I spotted a young tribal woman walking down the road proudly bare-chested. Seeing the bus approach, a female Vietnamese shopkeeper ran out to throw a towel across her chest just as the bus caught up with her, much to the disappointment of the (mostly Vietnamese) male passengers. In Europe, I used to jog along a beach near Montpellier when visiting friends. A few minutes from the car park it was topless, and a few minutes past that it was nude. No one seemed terribly concerned. I found the same attitude and condition one warm afternoon just past the Englischer Teagarten in Munich where the Issar river (I presume) ran through it. There must have been several thousand naked people lounging on the grass, swimming in the river, playing frisbee, and otherwise just enjoying themselves in the park. No one was even fornicating! For many Germans and French, public nudity seems normal in certain places and at certain times. It's not for me, nor would my wife be comfortable, but it seems to work very well for others. Why not merely let it be?

 




Edited by lirelou - 04 Mar 2010 at 04:40
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The thing is if women want to be topless, sure don't let me stop them.
Got a stressful lifestyle, need some eyecandy
 
The Fem movement lost what little credibility it had when it starts on such issues.
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Originally posted by Sparten Sparten wrote:

The thing is if women want to be topless, sure don't let me stop them.
Got a stressful lifestyle, need some eyecandy
 
The Fem movement lost what little credibility it had when it starts on such issues.
 
That's just the thing! The feminist movement doesn't even need to factor into this debate. I'm certainly no feminist but since I'm a male who hasn't been neutered by neither feminism nor religion I prefer women who make themselves sexually available to me - if only visually - and any man who argues in favour of covering up women, separating them from men or heightening their treshold for getting on their backs should have his penis revoked, as he clearly doesn't have much use for it.
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Originally posted by Reginmund Reginmund wrote:

Originally posted by Sparten Sparten wrote:

The thing is if women want to be topless, sure don't let me stop them.
Got a stressful lifestyle, need some eyecandy
 
The Fem movement lost what little credibility it had when it starts on such issues.
 
That's just the thing! The feminist movement doesn't even need to factor into this debate. I'm certainly no feminist but since I'm a male who hasn't been neutered by neither feminism nor religion I prefer women who make themselves sexually available to me - if only visually - and any man who argues in favour of covering up women, separating them from men or heightening their treshold for getting on their backs should have his penis revoked, as he clearly doesn't have much use for it.


Unless he plays outside the usual team, eh Regi Wink
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Depends on whether he is a good Christian and pefers to give rather than receive.
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Originally posted by Constantine XI Constantine XI wrote:

  Not really. It just shows disapproval for a behaviour (not respecting common social norms), and that's fine.
 
Well, one can discuss if it is fine. Social norms are not carved in rock, they can be altered.

Originally posted by Constantine XI Constantine XI wrote:

  What makes you think that social norms like these MUST come from religion?
 
They must not always come from religion but many probably does.

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Originally posted by Sparten Sparten wrote:

Depends on whether he is a good Christian and pefers to give rather than receive.


LOL

We do enjoy the technicalities don't we.





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Hey, it ain't no technicality. Nobodys is going to even imagine doing that to me.
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Originally posted by Sparten Sparten wrote:

Hey, it ain't no technicality. Nobodys is going to even imagine doing that to me.


No of course not, I am simply amused that you chose to explain the practical mechanics of the act and did so with the witty usage of a Christian saying.
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Originally posted by Reginmund Reginmund wrote:

Originally posted by Sparten Sparten wrote:

The thing is if women want to be topless, sure don't let me stop them.
Got a stressful lifestyle, need some eyecandy
 
The Fem movement lost what little credibility it had when it starts on such issues.
 
That's just the thing! The feminist movement doesn't even need to factor into this debate. I'm certainly no feminist but since I'm a male who hasn't been neutered by neither feminism nor religion I prefer women who make themselves sexually available to me - if only visually - and any man who argues in favour of covering up women, separating them from men or heightening their treshold for getting on their backs should have his penis revoked, as he clearly doesn't have much use for it.


i disagree if you guys mean that women should be the classic "barefoot and pregnant". the problem arose when unlike the racial argument that white, black, yellow, whatever, are equal; the argument of feminists became that women should be men! they fought for the right to vote and ended up with the 'right' to cuss and cheat on their spouse, and leave their children in the care of strangers. 'rights' men shouldn't have had in the first place. by 'right' i mean considered acceptable. instead of helping to fix problems in society with their votes, women became part of the problem, regardless of whether they play for the 'blue team' or the 'pink team'.


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Oh I agree then, but that doesn't mean they can't be barefoot and pregnant.
 
The ancients had a much better understanding of the proclivities of the sexes and organised society accordingly. We however, or at least those of us who are northwest-European or influenced by that region's modern gender philosophy, have through our cultural revolutions drifted into some sort of historical abherration that's contrary to the practices found in almost every other culture in any given period. Either it's the beginning of a global change in human gender relations, or it will regress and be remembered as nothing more than a bizarre episode.
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I oppose most of you here. I am for the rules being the same for both sexes. Frankly the largest problem in the West is women getting special treatment -look at the money invested into breast cancer rather than testical cancer.

Women and men should be under the same rules and get the same treatment.

I find the whol stigma of nudity absurd in any case. A ridiculous hold over from oppressive religion.


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Lately (Dec '17) scientists have been making in roads into male breast cancer.  Male breast cancer is a lot more easy to study, men's breast history is not complex.  It is not complicated by the onset of puberty, breast feeding, or hormone replacement therapy.  Plus they have found a cluster of male breast cancers at a military base, Camp Lejeune, which is terribly polluted.  And so they think they have found or narrowed down on an environmental cause.  So ironically, the solution of women's breast cancer may be the result of figuring out male breast cancer first.

Most people don't look good nude.  We should be grateful that most people wear clothes.
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I find this whole conversation rather distasteful.

Over the years, women have become more emancipated, and many are not afraid to show their naked bodies to the world. But that doesn't mean that they should!

That many, if not most men find the idea of a shapely naked female body highly alluring is not the point. The point is, as has been made earlier in this topic, adherence to a social norm. Of course this can vary from one culture to another, as can be shown by primitive New Guinea tribes. Men wear a very basic covering over their genitals, while women wear the briefest of skirts. To them this is a social norm.

Nor should we avoid the issue as it relates to males. In western society, there is a time and place to go shirtless, and it isn't in some nice hotel or restaurant.

IMHO, both genders suffer from varying degrees of vanity and this is shown by the wearing of sexy clothing in public, or no clothing at all.



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I think that there is a crude idea of equality between men and women.  It says if men can do it, then women can do it, (and visa versa).  Really what it does is make everybody into interchangeable parts for the machine.  Men and women are not the same, and if that is what "equality" means (sameness), that is wrong.  Men are not even the same as other men, and women are not the same as other women.  As I used to like telling the angst ridden goth at the coffeeshop, "you are unique, just like everybody else."

I don't know what would really be gained by allowing bare-breastedness.  But, it is probably true, that it is probably done more for men, than for women. 
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But, there again, not all men have a breast fetish. http://www.worldhistoria.com/battle-of-the-breasts_topic124502_post104678.html" width="1px" height="1px" style="display: none;">
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