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    Posted: 04 Aug 2014 at 06:09

It was common knowledge that the Roman Catholic Church, for centuries, had been plagued by corruption of every kind known to man. Not only had the Bishops, Cardinals and Popes broken every one of the Ten Commandments, and relished the doing so, but indulged wantonly in the Seven Deadly Sins. The corruption and misbehavior was not confined to the higher echelons of the Church, it was also widespread among the priests and lay brothers.

The senior hierarchy of the Church was involved in sexual depravity of the most serious kinds, as well as theft, murder and the sale of Bishoprics.

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  • John XII, reigned 955-964

Through his mother Alda of Vienne, John XII was a seventh generation descendant of Charlemagne. John was the temporal and spiritual ruler of Rome and during his pontificate he virtually turned it into a whorehouse. Moral corruption in Rome became a major problem.

 

  • Benedict IX, reigned 1032-1048

Benedict IX was Pope from 1032 to 1044, again in 1045, and finally from 1047 to 1048, the only man to have served as Pope for three discontinuous periods. He was also one of the youngest Popes (reigning from around age 18-20). He reportedly led an extremely dissolute life, and also allegedly had few qualifications for the papacy other than connections with a socially powerful family, although in terms of theology and the ordinary activities of the Church he was entirely orthodox. St. Peter Damian described him as “feasting on immorality” and “a demon from hell in the disguise of a priest” in the Liber Gomorrhianus, a treatise on papal corruption and sex that accused Benedict IX of routine homosexuality and bestiality.

He was also accused by Bishop Benno of Piacenza of “many vile adulteries and murders.” Pope Victor III referred to “his rapes, murders and other unspeakable acts. His life as a Pope so vile, so foul, so execrable, that I shudder to think of it.”

 

·       Alexander VI, reigned 1492-1503 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]

Born Rodrigo Borgia, Pope Alexander VI is so famous for his debased reign that his surname has become synonymous with the debased standards of the papacy in his era. Alexander’s elevation did not at the time excite much alarm, and at first his reign was marked by a strict administration of justice and an orderly method of government. But it was not long before his passion for endowing his relatives at the church’s and his neighbours’ expense became manifest. To that end he was ready to commit any crime and to plunge all Italy into war.

Alexander VI had three sons in addition to his famous daughter Lucrezia. During his pontificate virtually everything he did was to further the position of his children and family in the world. In order to dominate the Sacred College of Cardinals more completely, Alexander, in a move that created much scandal, created twelve new cardinals, among them his own son Cesare, then only eighteen years old, and Alessandro Farnese (later Pope Paul III), the brother of one of the Pope’s mistresses, the beautiful Giulia Farnese.

[http://listverse.com/2007/08/17/top-10-most-wicked-popes/]

In the modern era, notably during the World War II years, the Vatican was actively engaged in supporting the German Nazi movement. It refused to intercede in the Holocaust or to comment in any way adverse to the German aims. In the closing year of the war, the Vatican was instrumental in the setting up of the “Rat Line”, the secret means by which senior German war criminals were smuggled from Europe to countries from which they could not be extradited. This was with the full knowledge of the Pope at the time, Pius XII, notwithstanding his public plaudits for aiding the Allied war effort.

It was against this backdrop that Joseph Aloisius Ratzinger; born on 16 April 1927 was ordained as a priest in 1951 in his native Bavaria.

Ratzinger was an accomplished theologian and was well thought of throughout the Catholic Community, although he had very little pastoral experience.

Quote In 1981, Pope John Paul II named Ratzinger prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. In 1998, he became Vice Dean of the College of Cardinals and was elected Dean in 2002. Ratzinger defended and reaffirmed Catholic doctrine, including teaching on topics such as birth control, homosexuality and inter-religious dialogue.
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It was during this time that the deeply devout Ratzinger was confronted with proof of what had been whispered about and covered up for years, the alleged sexual assault of children by priests. He was a product of the system which he was very loath bring down. He agonised over whether or not to bring the subject out into the open (even more than it was emerging at the time) and give the stories credence, or to protect, at all costs, Holy Mother Church.

In any case, the matter was sidelined by the death of Pope John Paul II in 2005.

Surprisingly, Ratzinger was elected Pope, and took the name Benedict XVI. But now, he was in a worse position, vis a vis the child molestation scandal. He was now the Pope, and he had seen the proof, he know that many of his priests, bishops and cardinals had in some way been involved in the sexual assaults, or in covering them up. What to do?

He spoke out about the sexual assaults in a visit to the USA in 2008, but little more was done as he continued to agonise over the problem.

On 28 February 2013, Pope Benedict did the unthinkable; he resigned his Papacy, something that had not been done for centuries, since 1415. The reasons for his resignation revolved around his failing health and his belief that he could no longer perform his role as Pope. He was 85 years of age.

There is no doubting that Pope Benedict was in ill health, he was a frail, week old man, but now the question should be asked-was that the main reason for his resignation, or was it the burden of indecision, of simply not knowing how to adequately support and compensate the many victims of priestly sexual assault while protecting his lifelong love, the Church?

He was a deeply conflicted man, he was a deeply devout man, but was the burden simply too much for him to bear?





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These are folks that live enmeshed in fantasy. We can't expect too much from them.
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Originally posted by Captain Vancouver Captain Vancouver wrote:

These are folks that live enmeshed in fantasy. We can't expect too much from them.
 
If you're referring to the Popes, I can't realy disagree, but these are the men elected to the highest office in Christianity, who control millions (if not billions) of dollars worth of property including items of precious metals and who control many of the thought processes of millions of people world wide.
 
Just a bit of fantasising here, but one would have thought that an organisation like the Catholic Church would elect someone who not only possesses the doctrinal knowledge required of the office, but also some business acumen.
 
I suppose it all highlights the practice of electing men far beyond their prime to such an important office.
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''There is no doubting that Pope Benedict was in ill health, he was a frail, week old man, but now the question should be asked-was that the main reason for his resignation, or was it the burden of indecision, of simply not knowing how to adequately support and compensate the many victims of priestly sexual assault while protecting his lifelong love, the Church?''

Possibly both.

But long before the organization and development of the RCC...many state level institutions, theological based, practiced abominations and abuse against adult and child alike.

One of the more famous after it's creation; was the practice by Islamists; of the castration of young boys sold in slavery for later use as eunuchs.

But that is very rarely touched upon in this now heavily secularist, Christian bashers and Jew hater's world. Especially by the sycophants of Islamist terrorists and their apparent willingness to live with them in their 1500 year old now; fantasy world.

So in the end, your question is most likely unanswerable. Less speculation, uniformed or other, until the former Pope himself clarifies it. Or evidence, provided by those in a position to be deemed credible, is brought forth.
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In fairness, I must clarify the fact that sexual abuse of children was not confined to the Roman Catholic Church, but was/is widespread throughout both secular and non-secular institutions around the world.
 
The only common denominator that I can see is that the people concerned, the offenders, were/are all in positions of trust which they abused.
 
In Benedicts favour, he did attempt to bring the whole murky problem into the open and deal with it, but his efforts were too little, too late.
 
Pope Francis has now acted to resolve the matter, to some degree, but I doubt that he will be permitted by his underlings to all that is necessary to restore faith in the Church.


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The only common denominator that I can see is that the people concerned, the offenders, were/are all in positions of trust which they abused.


** This is also, in hindsight and with the necessary contextual understanding of the time, also an indictment of the aforementioned Islamists; and their founding fathers, to include the Prophet...with as much authority then and now as an RCC Pope.



In Benedicts favour, he did attempt to bring the whole murky problem into the open and deal with it, but his efforts were too little, too late.



** which can not necessarily be credited to Islamists, in and out of authority, in this contextual era.

A simple case in point is Qatar and the atrocious way foreign workers are treated and ostracized.

For every major gaffe that can be laid at the feet of Christianity and or Judaism..one if objective, can find virtually the the same; when investigating the Islamist.

The key will remain 'objective'. And not some pre planned agenda in support of cherry picking secularizationists. Or those who make it a practice to deny, dissimulate or obfuscate, the historical record in support of the Islamist agenda.

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Arlington:
Mate, I think you may have missed the point here a bit.
 
What I'm saying is that Pope Benedict, for all his good intentions, may have found the burden of either publicly "outing" sexual predators among his clergy, and bringing down the church, or trying to minimise the damage to the Catholic Church, at the expense of victims, too great a burden.
 
Granted, the Islamic world has hosted some particularly horrific crimes among its followers, as have other religions at various times, but I'm really questioning Pope Benedicts ability to handle the massive problem of sexual assaults and perversion among his clergy.
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Missed the point? Not hardly.

But to further address your question...I've already given you an answer.


"Possibly both''.

''So in the end, your question is most likely unanswerable. Less speculation, uniformed or other, until the former Pope himself clarifies it. Or evidence, provided by those in a position to be deemed credible, is brought forth. ''



Ntl, the secularists and RCC haters will be along shortly. With the full intention of character assassination of the former Pope and predecessors; and the institution at large. With absolutely no intent to offer objective comparison and contrast with other theological systems or leaders and their gaffes.

As I did.


Because every time this subject is breached on this forum, historically that's what happens.


And that Mate is the point.

Iow. RCC bashing no more no less.
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Arlington:
Nope, not me RCC bashing, just asking what I tink is a valid question.
 
But let's face it, over the centuries, the RCC has provided plenty of scope for "bashing".
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I'm really surprised that this thread hasn't resulted in a lot more discussion. It wasn't posted as RCC bashing, or as a criticism of Pope Benedict, merely asking a question, which I thought would be of interest.
 
Having regard to Benedicts life and career progress, it would not be surprising if he found himself severely conflicted when confronted with actual proof of the misdeeds within the ranks of the Catholic Church.
 
Or could it be that, having the proof of the paedophilia within the Church, being confronted with the massive corruption alleged to exist within the Vatican itself, was just another blow that perhaps he could not withstand.
 
If the various writers are to be believed, corruption is endemic within the Vatican and among senior church officials. We've all heard or read about the Carlo Ponti murder, the involvement of the Vatican Bank in shady deals with even shadier people, misappropriation of church funds and the list goes on.
 
How much could a sick old man be expected to bear?
 
 
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