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This is exactly what I said, In todays parlance, the United States and China has equipped Pakistan with Nuke bomb and all of us know there is no Political Stability there, If a trigger happy General press the button what will happen to the world.  Let us look at second scenario, If the nuke happens to fall into the hands of some terrorist groups in Pakistan it can wipe out human race from this earth.
I quote Albert Einstien
"As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality."
 
All controlled trial of nuke is okay, but when it is applied in reality all the calculation can go haywire as it is depended on various parametre. The classic case is Japan Nuke leaks which is a recent incident.
This is where anicient wisdom come into play, as it is told in Bhgavat Gita, that one should not engage in greed for power and supremacy and take insane decisions.
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Originally posted by Ramesh V.Naivaruni Ramesh V.Naivaruni wrote:

While accepting that United States was pulled into the War by the attack on pearl harbour, I dont think it was sensible to launch an Automic Bomb on Hiroshema and Nagasaki, the collective wisdom of the United States should have understood the ramification of the Atom bomb and should have adopted more tactical move to win the war rather than pressing the trigger of Atom bomb, which the posterity of the twin cities suffering even today.
We have discussed the topic of the atomic bombs dropped on Japan many, many times. It's not the topic of thei thread at all, so anyone who wants to raise the topic is advised first to search for existing topics, either here or in the archive, read them, and then reraise the topic if the think they have anything to add.
 
Don't hi-jack this thread irrelevantly.
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Given the thrust of this thread the coming of the end via nuclear disaster is far more remote than an imminent end through soporific boredom at the hands mystic twaddle. The throwing out of disconnected quotations totally irrelevant to either mercantile endeavor or even the momentary tirade directed at a historical event of passing fancy hardly constitutes evidence of anything beyond having read far beyond one's levels of proper comprehension. We have far more to fear from the underpinnings of Hindu nationalism misrepresenting History and even current events so as to pursue its traditional biases and atavistic constructs. That a healthy dose of hypocrisy is in play hardly improves the situation given the fact that the mousetrap typical of Indian politics is "illiberal democracy" [yes, usage of the term mousetrap with respect to Indian politics comes from the pen of Fareed Zakaria and not a pretentious blog] and if we are going to be awash in all of this cant over the Bhagavad Gita as an effective guide to "management" one should be aware of its effect in practice as underscored here:
 
 
And since it is a fashion to insert a pretentious quotation, then here is a far more appropriate one:
 
"...tend to your own garden before complaining about someone else's weeds".
 
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The Doctor thinks that others around have lesser memory and I am sure that is because he suffers from memory loss, I am saying this because on an another thread he had said that if Gandhi could come to power India will be secular(I am giving a gist of his statement) otherwise Hindutv forces will come into power(I presume he meant BJP) and it will be Anarchy in India.
 
Today he has given a link which talks about Genocide of Sikhs in the aftermath of Mrs.Indira Gandhi's assisianation in 1984 during which time Congress was ruling and for Information it was Mr.Rajeev Gandhi who succeeded her so the statement made is utter nonsense.  There can be outbreak of emotion anywhere when  a Mass Leader is killed so that is not the basis for any procastination,Look at the recent disturbances in London.  Secondly what has it got to do with "Bhagavat Gita and Management".  Now Mr.GCLE can advise the Doc to come back to topic ....PleaseBig smile
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RN claimed..."on an another thread he [meaning little moi] had said that if Gandhi could come to power India will be secular". Despite the disclaimer later appended about "gist" or something or other, I would respectfully ask the poster to reveal unto us just where I mention a Gandhi, any Ghandi, with respect to current threads. A bit of advice about this G, if you are going to reference or allude to it you had best have your ps and qs in order.
 
As for "coming back to topic", where have I strayed from the gist of this nonsense over scattered scripture being a guidebook to "effective" management. Be real please, since I doubt Vishnu will organize a board room any better than any other mythological figure and you could bet your booties that if any company in which I might have stock spoke of such nonsense, its shares would be dumped on a dime.
 
I have a very low tolerance for politicians quoting Scripture, any scripture, with respect to government so what in the blue blazes makes anyone think I would agree with such shennanigans when it comes to business! It is pure unadulterated bunkum and merits all of the contempt reserved for such nonsense.
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Originally posted by Ramesh V.Naivaruni Ramesh V.Naivaruni wrote:

Look at the recent disturbances in London.  Secondly what has it got to do with "Bhagavat Gita and Management".  Now Mr.GCLE can advise the Doc to come back to topic ....PleaseBig smile
Given the thread's title and subject, anything to do with the Bhagavd Gita is relevant to its utility as a source of management precepts.
On the other hand the recent disturbances in London had nothing to do with either the Bhagavad Gita or management.
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Swami sukbodhananda whose "Gita & Excellence is such a huge hit has written this articles which appreared on Economic times, he is a Corporate trainer par excellence and he was asked by the Government of India to train the world winning team as emotional guide.
Swami Sukhabodhananda - ARTICLES - 2009


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I am extremely sorry in my error in reading , you had not mentioned Mr.Gandhi it was mentioned by Mr.Horizon.  Apologies.
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Originally posted by Ramesh V.Naivaruni Ramesh V.Naivaruni wrote:

Swami sukbodhananda whose "Gita & Excellence is such a huge hit has written this articles which appreared on Economic times, he is a Corporate trainer par excellence and he was asked by the Government of India to train the world winning team as emotional guide.
Swami Sukhabodhananda - ARTICLES - 2009

 

What 'world-winning team' would that be?
 
Not, surely, the one that just got comprehensively thrashed by England?
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Even if he were to be the teaching the recently bashed up Indian team it is okay, what job he was given was to give them emotional training. In a game winning and loosing is part of it. Bhagavat Gita Says.
Bhudir Gyanaam sanmoha, sama satyam yama samah,
sukam duko bhavo bhavoo, bhyam cha bhayam eva cha.
One should not get elated when one wins at the same time one should not feel let down if he fails to win . 
 
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The Karma yoga is something profusely quoted by intellectual and many a time it is quoted out of context to by people to justify their mistakes, like any great works even Bhagavat Gita speaks purely on what one's duty is and how to do it correctly. it is like saying doing right things and doing it right.

Karma Yoga is essentially Acting, or doing one's duties in life as per his/her dharma, or duty, without attachment to results – a sort of constant sacrifice of action to the Supreme. It is action done without thought of gain. In a more modern interpretation, it can be viewed as duty bound deeds done without letting the nature of the result affect one's actions. Krishna advocates Nishkam Karma (Selfless Action) as the ideal path to realize the Truth. The very important theme of Karma Yoga is not focused on renouncing the work, but again and again Krishna focuses on what should be the purpose of activity. Krishna mentions in following verses that actions must be performed to please the Supreme otherwise these actions become the cause of material bondage and cause repetition of birth and death in this material world. These concepts are described in the following verses:

"Work done as a sacrifice for Vishnu has to be performed, otherwise work causes bondage in this material world. Therefore, O son of Kuntī, perform your prescribed duties for His satisfaction, and in that way you will always remain free from bondage."
"To action alone hast thou a right and never at all to its fruits; let not the fruits of action be thy motive; neither let there be in thee any attachment to inaction"(2.47)
"Fixed in yoga, do thy work, O Winner of wealth (Arjuna), abandoning attachment, with an even mind in success and failure, for evenness of mind is called yoga"(2.48)
"With the body, with the mind, with the intellect, even merely with the senses, the Yogis perform action toward self-purification, having abandoned attachment. He who is disciplined in Yoga, having abandoned the fruit of action, attains steady peace


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Well, Karma Yoga is associated in the West with the Beatles and the hippie movement. 
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Originally posted by Ramesh V.Naivaruni Ramesh V.Naivaruni wrote:

Even if he were to be the teaching the recently bashed up Indian team it is okay, what job he was given was to give them emotional training. In a game winning and loosing is part of it. Bhagavat Gita Says.
Bhudir Gyanaam sanmoha, sama satyam yama samah,
sukam duko bhavo bhavoo, bhyam cha bhayam eva cha.
One should not get elated when one wins at the same time one should not feel let down if he fails to win .   
 More like proiding a consolation for losing than helping to win, which is the poiont of management training.
 
That great Indian Ranjitsinhji had a different view, according to R.J.O.Meyer who knew him as a boy (that is, when Meyer was young). Ranji's definition of a good loser was someone who, when beaten, shook hands with the winner, and went away to practice to make absolutely sure it didn't happen again.
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Originally posted by Ramesh V.Naivaruni Ramesh V.Naivaruni wrote:

The Karma yoga is something profusely quoted by intellectual and many a time it is quoted out of context to by people to justify their mistakes, like any great works even Bhagavat Gita speaks purely on what one's duty is and how to do it correctly. it is like saying doing right things and doing it right.

Karma Yoga is essentially Acting, or doing one's duties in life as per his/her dharma, or duty, without attachment to results – a sort of constant sacrifice of action to the Supreme.  

Not someone likely to get far in business then. Or likely to have much appeal to head hunters.
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The Human Resoruces Managers in IT firms are taking to Linda Goodman for personality traits before recuriting while I know this is a fact in Indian Management parlance, I was also told that this is a practice in the west especially for key positions.
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