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    Posted: 25 Jun 2018 at 02:35
The semi-porous border between Mexico and the Unites States is the means by which poverty stricken Central and South Americans seek a chance at a new life, free from drug war lords, corrupt governments and the lack of basic government services. Who can blame them?

But, the USA has the right to investigate the bona fides of people seeking to live in America and to choose whom it accepts.

Donald Trump is now coming under fire for not wanting illegal immigrants to be processed through a court system, it's time consuming and expensive.

I agree with him. Where these people are found offending, that is, caught in the act, there is no question of their guilt and no reason why they should be subjected to court hearings. There is however the humanitarian aspect.

If Trump really intends to build a border wall, perhaps it should be prioritised in an attempt to slow or stop the flow of illegal immigrants, in the meantime, also at some expense, the illegals should be returned to their countries of origin.
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The flow of people from Central America isn't going to stop. Its been said that the scene in Honduras is unspeakable, the breakdown of civilization. The situation with asylum seekers isn't going to change at least now minors won't be turned loose in the US on their own. 
The former policy "Catch and Release" only encouraged human trafficking. Kudos to Trump for making decisions that forced the country to deal with illegal immigration.
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I feel very sorry for those millions of people around the world who are the subject of brutal and corrupt regimes, and the richer countries should be doing more to help them. But, unfettered immigration is not the answer, every country has the obligation to ensure that it's citizens are as safe as humanly possible, and to protect them from terrorism.

This is my reason for going along with Trump on border issues.

Not even countries as big as the USA can afford to allow countless numbers of refugees to cross it's borders, that's simply not viable and would have dire consequences for the country as a whole over time.

The real answer, IMHO, is to correct the problems which are causing people to flee their own countries. A large task, I know, but the current situation around the world, especially North Africa, Syria etc cannot continue.
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I think a clever politician could say that is dangerous taking children into the middle of the desert during the Summer.  Of course it is also dangerous to stay in Honduras, but the US doesn't have jurisdiction, so it cannot do anything there.  Or maybe we can, and even should, but deciding that is above my pay grade.



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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

I think a clever politician could say that is dangerous taking children into the middle of the desert during the Summer.  Of course it is also dangerous to stay in Honduras, but the US doesn't have jurisdiction, so it cannot do anything there.  Or maybe we can, and even should, but deciding that is above my pay grade.

I agree with you, but desperate people do desperate things.

I also agree that something should be done, but precisely what, and by whom, as you say, is above my pay grade too.

You will know that Australia faced a similar problem with "boat people" following the Viet Nam War. Most of those people, AFIK, have been accepted into Australia. More recently, we've had another wave of boat people but our government took a decision to turn them back. Those who couldn't be turned back weren't allowed to set foot in Australia, and were sent to refugee camps in nearby countries. This of course has gained us condemnation from some quarters, but the influx of illegals by boat has basically stopped.

Not saying that I agree with the refugee camp policy, just telling it like it is!




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In 2017 and long before the US backed candidates in South and Central America based on who could best disperse the aid they received. Last year and long before the elections were suspect and there is a very high level of police corruption and the gang violence is just a nightmare. 
Mexico should allow the US to set up temporary camps away from the southern border on the Mexico side for medical and food aid. 
The situation in Honduras is as bad as Syria in some ways. The article is opinion from Joe Biden. His version of events and how everything was on track until Trump cut aid to Central America. 

"When a coup overthrew the democratically elected government of Honduras in 2009, the Obama administration did not demand that the elected president be reinstated.

That omission was duly noted by the military leaders of that country, which conducted its own, carefully managed election instead. Before her death, indigenous leader Berta Caceres singled out Secretary of State Hillary Clinton for her role in legitimizing the coup."


Biden doesn't mention that the Northern Triangle deal with President Hernandez was essentially illegal bc he was in violation of the term limits. People are dying in the street to protest Hernandez and crime is rampant. The right wing won't say much bc they have consistently supported lunatics in south /central America. I honestly can't blame Obama, believe that? 

Who can any government deal with when it's the wild, wild, west for real?  


This is terrain I know all too well. In 2014, President Barack Obama asked me to lead the international response to the surge of migrants that ultimately resulted in 68,000 unaccompanied children from Central America crossing into the United States. That summer, I met with Central American leaders in Guatemala to chart a plan to reduce migration, as well as to make it clear that undocumented migration was risky, dangerous and offered scant hope of legal status or citizenship....
following intensive negotiations between the Obama administration and the Northern Triangle presidents, Congress provided $750 millionin 2016 to fund a whole-of-government effort to effect deep and lasting change in Central America. Because Central American governments had long been perceived — with good reason — as corrupt, inept and incapable of delivering basic services to their citizens, I supported Congress in tying the aid package to concrete commitments by regional governments to clean up their police, increase tax collection, fight corruption and create the opportunities necessary to convince would-be migrants to remain in their countries.


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