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Originally posted by Constantine XI Constantine XI wrote:

toyomotor, you reacted exactly as I expected you to. And that's not a compliment.

I'd like to hear what the other members here think of how Northman has treated me.

Of course one can never know another's actual situation, based only on some lines of text on a computer screen. I won't attempt to analyze you Mr C, only to say that it seems clear your posts have become more strident and aggressive recently, to the point- and sometimes beyond- of rudeness. 

I find this dismaying, because the internet is littered with low brow, angry chat forums, and ones with some quality exchange can be hard to find. I hope we can keep up a high standard.

I'd say Northman has been pretty even handed, given the above and also your use of vocabulary in the post in question. 
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I,m not going to bother posting actual data because it is easy to find.

The real issue is the failure of many remain proponents to face how badly socialism is failing the UK. The immigration issue is not about racism but unsustainable parasitism. The fact that the cultural suicide Europe is engaged in is so bizarre is perhaps why so many people have trouble recognising it for what it is.

It is important to remember that the real beneficiaries of Marxist ideology have always been the bureaucratic elite not the people. It is also important to understand how corporations have been able to exploit the collectivist environment to exclude competition.
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I'm going to rejoin the discussion as there's no reason for me not to and I began the thread anyway. I will repost what I posted in my deleted post. But so as not to upset the easily offended or those with very narrow dictionary definitions of words, I will include an explanatory preface to ensure there is no confusion.

Post preface and key definitions. In this post I will employ the words 'parasite' & 'parasitic'. While these can refer to a malignant foreign species which compromises and sometimes kills otherwise healthy biological hosts in different species, for the purpose of this post I am following the second definition provided by the online Oxford English Dictionary: "Habitually relying on or exploiting others".
Also, I do understand how being a part of the Baby Boomer generation can shape one's mindset. Having so radically under-performed in comparison to the generation which came before. Being the most privileged generation in history which is richer than both its parents and descendents. Having the most repugnant legacy of presiding over the greatest cultural, intellectual and economic degeneration of Western society since perhaps the collapse of the Roman Empire. If I entered middle age looking back on the total dumpster fire that my generation had inflicted on those to follow, I too might become wildly oversensitive and defensive about everything. And while I will not apply charges of intellectual dishonesty and simple moral cowardice to all Boomers (as some very nobly made something of themselves), I do want that great preponderance of ever-infantile Boomers to know that I have reflected on why it is you are the way you are. And so I shall do my utmost to avoid making you feel defensive. In return, please leave me be to argue passionately, frankly and politely.

Now, onto the post proper. Having established our definition of 'parasitic', let's revisit the verbatim text that I wrote summing up the Brexit vote:

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SEGMENT DELETED due to condescending and defamatory remarks for half of britains population.

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I stand by this summary, because the demographic statistics regarding the vote show that this is the case. Internationalists, ever nomadic corporate ex-pats, the increasingly totalitarian and Marxist sub-state of Scotland, the young middle class, inner city intelligentsia of London, people with shallow roots in Britain (non-indigenous), and the hopelessly welfare dependent areas like Liverpool all voted to Remain. Each of these groups vary in socio-economic class and geographic area - the only commonality they have is that most of them consume more wealth from the system than they produce in nearly all cases. Heavy welfare dependency for the urban poor, being paid for by mum and dad in the case of the students and inner city trendies, corporate welfare and unearned passive income from investments/rents for the internationalists and corporate professionals who can be geographic nomads.

Now look at the Leave voters. Strongly represented by employed working class folk (including large numbers of Labour voters), a large segment of the middle class consisting of small business owners (not so much public servants). And the poor or welfare dependent in regional areas (people whose job opportunities have been reduced thanks to EU regulations, and who can't be placated with the generous amusements concentrated in London that keep the poor and welfare dependent happy in that city). These people are responsible for the generation of the overwhelming bulk of the nation's goods and services - or if they are unemployed still retain the self respect and work ethic to do whatever they can to regain employment rather than resigning themselves to permanent welfare dependency like so many of their compatriots.

I've lived in the UK 3 times, and I have a dual citizenship with that country. When I first went there at the age of six, TV shows & stereotypes had given me the impression that the UK would be superior to Australia in every way that mattered. Afterall, my child mind reasoned, Britain founded Australia and it only made sense that the "better" country spares the resources to colonise and produce an imitation of itself which will naturally be inferior. I stayed there for 6 months, got to experience ordinary British life in the especially disastrous town of Luton, and returned to Australia with a profound appreciation for all the many many things Australia has to offer its people that the British miss out on. As the years have passed I have watched from a safe distance as the UK has lurched from one disappointment to another. And I won't lie, it's a real downer thinking of how that piece of my heritage has become ever weaker and has lost so much of its wonderful character.

So for me, this Brexit vote is a tremendous change in direction away from the edge of the cliff. I couldn't be happier for he people of the United Kingdom (however long it remains united hehe). Hurrah!


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The only thing worse than a poor looser, is a poor winner.  One should be magnanimous towards the defeated, after all you are going to have to live with them afterwards.  unless one is just having fun being
a blowhard from the other side of the world.  I think that the Brits are sailing into uncharted territory.  Whether that ends up being good or bad, it is too complicated to tell.  It is a question of whether unintended consequences are going to reach up and bite them.  The whole thing (like joining in the first place) is too complicated to forecast with any thing resembling accuracy.  Only fanatics are "certain" about what will happen now.

But it is always interesting watching a political experiment, as long as one is not directly involved in it.
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franciscosan, have you seen how the Remain campaign side has been behaving since the vote? These poor losers are definitely far worse than any poor winner I have come across.
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No, I haven't, but the losers don't have to be magnanimous towards the winners, they are going to whine and exhibit petty viciousness, but in the end, they lost.  The brexit crowd won, and now they should act like they mean the exit, but they should also try to show the 48 percent (or whatever it was), that it won't be that bad.  Yes, cats and dogs are sleeping together, but of course they did that before the vote too, the sky is not going to fall, and the sooner the exit people show that and the sooner the remainers realize that, then the smoother it will go.

Britain is on a common law system, whereas I believe the rest of Europe is on Napoleonic code.  No?  My point is that there are fundamental differences in how Britain vs. the rest of Europe looks at laws, a difference that Britain shares with the US and, I assume, Australia.  So I wonder how the Brit fit was in the Eurozone in the first place.
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Hm, the footage of Remain campaigners gathered outside Boris Johnson's house the next day yelling "traitor" and seeming to be barely able to resist the temptation to turn into a lynch mob is telling.

In my opinion, much of the hype and theatrics by the Remain camp is generated through the media. The establishment press has been practically hysterical with "the sky is falling" narratives and divinations. Britain's economy will undergo a moderate reversal for 2-3 months. That's to be expected in the period you dismantle an old system, and before the benefits of the new system can take effect. By this point the Remainians will have become long distracted by some triviality that the media bosses have invented or promoted for their own self interest. Today it's the major social rift in UK society, in a couple of months it'll be a boring detail. Such is the fickleness of the masses (and the people who think they're too middle class to be called "the masses").

You are correct that Britain, along with the major Anglophone countries, follow common law. Ireland, which is still in the EU, also follows common law. To be honest, the only aspect of significant legal difference which would affect dealing with the states who follow the continental legal system would be in the creation and management of commercial contracts. The two systems have very different approaches to contract law.
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CXI - Thank you for your services as a member of staff that earlier met out criteria for good behavior.
I have removed you from your duties now.

You have exposed yourself total indifferent of the CoC and dispite more attempts to make you come to your sences, you continue with the exact same violations and totally dismiss my opinion.
You may think its a smart move and clever way to promote yourself - but let me inform you - it is NOT very clever or smart.

However, let me say that I have a hard time recognising the CXI we all knew a few years back - you have undergone a huge change, taken you very far from the clever and respected youngster we knew.
 
Continue the same line and your long term membership can be put on hold any time.


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You totally miss the point.
I dont - and I never have promoted my own wiews in a context like this.  
I couldn't care less who claims which opinion, and I'm not even pro EU.

All I can see is that CXI is in a clear violation of the CoC and that is what I react upon. 
I'm sure you can see his  derogatory remarks to half of britains population.

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Why dont you relate to my post and answer it?

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You totally miss the point. 
I dont - and I never have promoted my own wiews in a context like this.  
I couldn't care less who claims which opinion, and I'm not even pro EU.

All I can see is that CXI is in a clear violation of the CoC and that is what I react upon. 
I'm sure you can see his  derogatory remarks to half of britains population.

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It is not how you say something it is what you say that is important.  

The issue of Britain leaving the UK is obviously very emotional and deserves to be viewed in that light.  Such environments lead to the perception of being insulted especial when someone says something like "you don't really believe that" or you are too intelligent to hold that opinion.

Personally I don't find the anti Trump or the remain positions to be intellectually superior.  That those positions are held by people vested in the entitlements that come with belonging to the bureaucratic class, the self proclaimed intelligentsia or the state ran educational system should come as no surprise to anyone.  It is also clear that many large corporations, especially those that are non historical industries, have learned to exploit collectivism means that the bureaucratic class has many non traditional allies.  That the young overwhelming supported remain can be explained by the fact that they have no experience outside the collectivist state and change is frightening.  I have seen no arguments that convince me that the risks of leaving are not potentially outweighed by the benefits of reducing the influence of the unelected and apparently incompetent bureaucratic class that somehow despite all evidence to the contrary continues to feel intellectually superior.   
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Interesting to note that almost three million people in the UK have now signed an electronic petition calling for another referendum. I wonder if that number is comprised of the same people who formed the two million +/- votes leading to the BREXIT victory.

We haven't heard the last of the UK breakup either. Both Scotland and Northern Ireland are looking seriously at means by which they can remain in the EU.

As for the STAY or LEAVE arguments, I don't have sufficient evidence on the pro's and con's to form an educated opinion at this stage, but I'll certainly be watching from the sidelines.


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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

Britain is on a common law system, whereas I believe the rest of Europe is on Napoleonic code.  No?  My point is that there are fundamental differences in how Britain vs. the rest of Europe looks at laws, a difference that Britain shares with the US and, I assume, Australia.  So I wonder how the Brit fit was in the Eurozone in the first place.

Obviously the Westminster System if very different to the European system of law. If memory serves me correctly, one difference is that under the English system, everything is permissable at law, unless the law says to the contrary. My understanding of, for example, the French system is the reverse, nothing is legal unless the law says so.

But laws weren't the raison d'etre for the EU, trade and immigration were, as far as I know, the main reasons.
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No, laws weren't the reason, but laws reflect a certain "philosophical" outlook that a people may have.  That outlook determines how a people look at the world, but because _it_ is determining how a people look at the world, _it_ itself is rarely well understood.  Or rather, it is understood on a visceral, gut level, which may be why the intellectual elite get it less than the average joe.  On the other hand, the average joe might not be as aware of the fallout from such a dramatic change, fallout including both foreseen and unforeseen consequences.
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

No, laws weren't the reason, but laws reflect a certain "philosophical" outlook that a people may have.  That outlook determines how a people look at the world, but because _it_ is determining how a people look at the world, _it_ itself is rarely well understood.  Or rather, it is understood on a visceral, gut level, which may be why the intellectual elite get it less than the average joe.  On the other hand, the average joe might not be as aware of the fallout from such a dramatic change, fallout including both foreseen and unforeseen consequences.


On the hand the intellectually elite may not have a clue?
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It's started already!

The conspiracy theorists are now speculating that BoJo (Boris Johnson) planned his BREXIT campaign with the intent that when (or if) he becomes PM, he will have a change of mind and order another referendum.

I don't give this much credence, but if that thought ever occurred to him, he may find that the UK voters have a different idea.


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Is there a bigger retard than Farage. The epitome of the England bovver boy. Wins a victory but with no sense of humbleness goes into the losers changing room and mouths off.
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Quote CXI - Thank you for your services as a member of staff that earlier met out criteria for good behavior.
I have removed you from your duties now.

Fine by me.

Quote You have exposed yourself total indifferent of the CoC and dispite more attempts to make you come to your sences, you continue with the exact same violations and totally dismiss my opinion.You may think its a smart move and clever way to promote yourself - but let me inform you - it is NOT very clever or smart.

I'm not sure why you think a staff member position has any value. You've basically just said that you have total power. And you've demonstrated pretty clearly that you're entirely a law unto yourself. You might call it "smart" for people to be submissive to your whims so they can hang on to the empty title and meaningless position. But I just think that's meek and cowardly.

Quote Continue the same line and your long term membership can be put on hold any time.

I'll continue to be basically honest, frank and to present contentions and evidence for them even if those with different political leanings can't handle it. I'm sure you'll be on the lookout for some flimsy pretext to evict me from this forum in the meantime. Until then, I'm still here and I'm not going to behave as anyone other than who I am.
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Originally posted by es_bih es_bih wrote:

North, this is typical left wing behavior. Censor what you don't agree with. You have aligned yourself with the PC agenda. Please remove me from mod and council status as well. I can't believe that you'd stoop so low. Basically if you agree with the agenda and what is said you're a brilliant young man, but if you steer from the dogma you're exommunicated. You sound very much like the dictator old friend.

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On with the subject in question. Juncker, the head of the EU, has made it clear that he wants the UK to exit the EU as quickly as possible. I consider it highly likely that those running the EU will do their best to rush the process and do as much damage to the UK as possible in the process. Then they can point to the UK and say to the remaining EU states, "see how badly the UK is doing without the EU, surely you don't wish to suffer the same fate". And I suspect that a certain amount of petty vindictiveness will be a part of their motive as well.
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Originally posted by Constantine XI Constantine XI wrote:

On with the subject in question. Juncker, the head of the EU, has made it clear that he wants the UK to exit the EU as quickly as possible. I consider it highly likely that those running the EU will do their best to rush the process and do as much damage to the UK as possible in the process. Then they can point to the UK and say to the remaining EU states, "see how badly the UK is doing without the EU, surely you don't wish to suffer the same fate". And I suspect that a certain amount of petty vindictiveness will be a part of their motive as well.
When someone leave a "party" then of course they should not expect to get the benefits or parttake in the internal discusions  and decisions.
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Originally posted by Constantine XI Constantine XI wrote:

On with the subject in question. Juncker, the head of the EU, has made it clear that he wants the UK to exit the EU as quickly as possible. I consider it highly likely that those running the EU will do their best to rush the process and do as much damage to the UK as possible in the process. Then they can point to the UK and say to the remaining EU states, "see how badly the UK is doing without the EU, surely you don't wish to suffer the same fate". And I suspect that a certain amount of petty vindictiveness will be a part of their motive as well.


You cant be a member of a club, union, association and not abide by the membership rules. They voted out, they suffer the consequences.

As to petty vindictiveness the EU has given more leeway to the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland in negations as to its membership than any other member. The Conservative and Unionist Party has used the EU membership and an internal political football for generations. The economic turmoil is the product of their own Machiavellian pursuits and to accuse the EU of vindictiveness would be a case of the pot calling the kettle black if ever there was one. We see the press in the UK, and even The Australian in my country, attempting to blame the Labour Party in the UK and I am even seeing the headlines in the UK press that the EU itself is to blame. Lets be utterly frank here, they are blaming others for their own errors. The Conservative and Unionist Party, to put it bluntly f**kED UP. They alone are the cause of the possibility of their nation leaving a free and single market that gave them access to a $16.6 trillion a year Single Market of 500m people. See my previous post for more details. I am a member of a national industry association and we are collectively amazed at the utter stupidity of this. I have also have shown some of the members the comment n this thread that this was a defeat for Socialism and to use the term "derisory" as to the attitude towards that belief would be an understatement.

Bear in mind that if you read between the lines of our Australian federal government and its talk of free trade agreements with the EU it is putting the EU first and forefront on the agenda for those talks. Yes the UK will be there but they know the economies of scale when it comes to trade. And if the Brexit supporters think that the Australian agriculture industry will not kill off the UK equivalent under free trade they are living in a dream land.      

I also urge you to read the London Financial Times as to why this may not happen. The consequences are too staggering to comprehend for the financial well being of the UK in the long term. And the FT is hardly a Marxist rag for those that think that the EU is seemingly some socialist experiment.

With all due respect to the British voters they got it wrong. They were never explained the consequences of this exit, they were never explained the benefits from being in a free trade association and with that they did vote on race and crap lies about money into the NHS. The Brexit media can deny that all they like but the truth is they promoted race constantly. I watched countless complaints on TV by working class people about "Poles selling them sweeties" and plenty more.

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Originally posted by Constantine XI Constantine XI wrote:

Quote CXI - Thank you for your services as a member of staff that earlier met out criteria for good behavior.
I have removed you from your duties now.

Fine by me.

Quote You have exposed yourself total indifferent of the CoC and dispite more attempts to make you come to your sences, you continue with the exact same violations and totally dismiss my opinion.You may think its a smart move and clever way to promote yourself - but let me inform you - it is NOT very clever or smart.

I'm not sure why you think a staff member position has any value. You've basically just said that you have total power. And you've demonstrated pretty clearly that you're entirely a law unto yourself. You might call it "smart" for people to be submissive to your whims so they can hang on to the empty title and meaningless position. But I just think that's meek and cowardly.

Quote Continue the same line and your long term membership can be put on hold any time.

I'll continue to be basically honest, frank and to present contentions and evidence for them even if those with different political leanings can't handle it. I'm sure you'll be on the lookout for some flimsy pretext to evict me from this forum in the meantime. Until then, I'm still here and I'm not going to behave as anyone other than who I am.

Constantine:-

Why stir the pot now? You've been a member for over ten years, and no doubt gained a certain amount of enjoyment from this forum. Don't throw it away now by making intemperate comments which lead to your expulsion.




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Quote "You don't get it, do you? Your question is the root of the problem. Stirring the pot is providing an opposite opinion these days. This could have and should have been dealt with differently. It was a rash decision taken lightly."

My post was meant to refer to Constantine continuing his attack on Northman. OK, at some stage in our lives we've all felt hard done by in one way or another. When you can see that continuing an argument will not change another persons views, it's time to say "enough" and move on. And I'm not saying that Northmans adjudication in this matter is wrong, it isn't. If we're going to have civil discusions with other members on-line, let's keep them civil. Un-necessary abuse is not the way to go, nor is arguing with Mods and Admins. 

As to your comment "It was a rash decision taken lightly", when was the last time someone was suspended from this forum? Only one I believe in my time, so obviously suspensions or demotions are not taken lightly.

Where this forum differs from many others is that it allows free speech and an exchange of differing opinions, while discouraging bad language, SPAM, and insulting comments. That's what I like about WH. The CoC applies to everyone so either agree with it or not, but remember that actions can have consequences.






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Imposing domestic policy on immigration is not something a trade associations would normally do.

With 53 percent of Muslim men not working it is clear that the issue is neither xenophobic nor racist but a failure of the integration process.  Stopping immigration until the system is fixed is the only humane step to take.  The empirical evidence that welfare systems destroy families and that single parent house holds are detrimental to childern is so overwhelming that it is not worth debating.

The real economic issue with Brexit is why a trade organization would put their welfare state agenda ahead of negotiating a favorable trade agreement with Britain.  There is no reason to believe that what is good for Britain economically is not good for the EU even if Britain is not part of the EU. 



    


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We have the same problem in Australia. The vast majority of our refugee migrants choose to mix only with their fellow countrymen and don't assimilate. We find that pockets of ethnic minorities spring up all over the country, the people not bothering to learn to speak English, let alone adopt our culture.

England is a good example, or should I say bad example of the people being made to change their ways to suit the incomers-is it any wonder that the English want tighter controls on their own borders?


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The free movement of workers, goods, capital and services. A free marketeers delight. Something that the USA, Australia and the UK (among others) have fought wars in favour of. As to immigration the US and Australia have open borders by another name even if their citizens are unable to recognise that. The way the Australian government "fools" the public is by having what it calls Skill Shortage List. It has a points system that is very flexible. It allows migrants to enter and though there are some chinks in the points system armour the Australians have created class's of visa that allow temporary visas that then allow the holder to later move to NZ and then migrate back Australia in free movement. Australia has free movement of workers, goods, capital and services with NZ. Australia also allows the migrant to bring members of the individuals family in via "family reunion" I have not looked at the USA's system but it is nation that was built on (and still is) on a massive migrant intake plus the movement workers, goods, capital and services across state borders. This is history site and I fail to understand why anyone with a modicum of historical knowledge would not understand that.

The facts of the matter is that Brexit campaigners are now making it abundantly clear that they will NOT be stopping migration and a few keep pointing to the Australian Points system. Well I have news for the the public that are looking to see migration of those they do not want, that points system will not change a thing. It will allow Poles to sell sweeties to them in a funny accents, it will allow Rumanian nurses to work in aged care facilities and wipe the sh*t off their grand parents bums because the local children and grandchildren are too f**king soft to take on these type low paid tasks and it will be a very foolish nation if it stops any movement of people based on religion.       

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