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Originally posted by Panther Panther wrote:

Coming soon to a history chapter near you; "The Rise of Special Western Snow-Flakes".

For sure that's a factor. But I'd say there are two bigger ones:

1. Kids trying anything they can to get out of their exams. Every generation does it. And,
2. People's obsession with 'virtue signalling' on social media. These kids think that by feigning physical illness and emotional distress, they can 'virtue signal' to their peers how they subscribe to the current vogue opinion and how profound they must be for caring so much.
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Quote It is not unusual for stock markets to shoot up on the assumption that right wing forces are ascendant

Right wing forces? Good grief, what are people saying about Britain out there? The market gets jittery because of uncertainty, not political extremism. That's the problem with financial markets - everything is on a hair trigger. Traders want to buy and sell stocks and shares to maximise profit and minimise loss so if they get uncertain abiout circumstances, they act to prevent what they think might be worse for them. But seriously, right wing forces have no influence in British politics, despite a thuggish minority shaving, shouting, saluting, and getting far more publicity than they deserve.
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Just keep in mind that while Britain has been a member of the EU it's poverty rate has climbed. Hordes of bureaucrats, and millions of gender study degrees does not a paradise make.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote toyomotor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Jul 2016 at 14:21
Originally posted by wolfhnd wolfhnd wrote:

Just keep in mind that while Britain has been a member of the EU it's poverty rate has climbed. Hordes of bureaucrats, and millions of gender study degrees does not a paradise make.

Wouldn't that, in and of itself warrant action by voters in an attempt to reverse that position?


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Originally posted by caldrail caldrail wrote:

Quote It is not unusual for stock markets to shoot up on the assumption that right wing forces are ascendant

Right wing forces? Good grief, what are people saying about Britain out there? The market gets jittery because of uncertainty, not political extremism. That's the problem with financial markets - everything is on a hair trigger. Traders want to buy and sell stocks and shares to maximise profit and minimise loss so if they get uncertain abiout circumstances, they act to prevent what they think might be worse for them. But seriously, right wing forces have no influence in British politics, despite a thuggish minority shaving, shouting, saluting, and getting far more publicity than they deserve.

By right wing I merely mean political establishments such as the Conservative Party, as apposed to a Labour or socialist leaning group. The notion is that those on the political right will somehow up profits by cutting taxes or some such means, while the socialist hordes will spoil the party by insisting on reprehensible policies like combating poverty, providing social services, or insisting on egalitarian measures. The fact that this is not how it actually plays out in real life tends to be lost on market punters, which is why I suggested the image of lemmings on the move.
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Originally posted by wolfhnd wolfhnd wrote:

Just keep in mind that while Britain has been a member of the EU it's poverty rate has climbed. Hordes of bureaucrats, and millions of gender study degrees does not a paradise make.

All those millions (thousands?) of gender study people, snakes in the grass no doubt. Nice to be ride of them, then we could go back to spousal assault without sanction, and locking up gays.

By the way, what has actually happened to the "poverty rate" in Britain over the years, and what has happened to other similar nations, in regard to poverty and inequality? If it is all due to those hordes in Brussels, they must have a long reach indeed.
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Quote By right wing I merely mean political establishments such as the Conservative Party, as apposed to a Labour or socialist leaning group. The notion is that those on the political right will somehow up profits by cutting taxes or some such means, while the socialist hordes will spoil the party by insisting on reprehensible policies like combating poverty, providing social services, or insisting on egalitarian measures. The fact that this is not how it actually plays out in real life tends to be lost on market punters, which is why I suggested the image of lemmings on the move.

The Tories are centrist-right, not right wing, and in Britain there is considerable distance between them, though to be fair it probably isn't correct to apply labels of political leaning to our modern democratic parties because they are no longer so unified or aligned. Bear in mind they got into power not so long ago only because of a pact with the Liberal Democrats. Similar comments could be made about Labour's socialist leanings which are nothing as left wing as they were in Thatcher's day. The party has a beleaguered socialist leader and a great many politicians who don't have anything like the left wing tendencies you might expect.

All those bureaucrats.... Shame I can't find any. Guess it must be another mythical beast like the resident of Loch Ness, or those black cats in the west of England, or lemmings, especially since the British public voted against prevailing advice.

As for poverty, heck, I know about that. I'm no stranger to being on the dole. And within a few hundred yards of where I'm typing this is a shanty community under a concrete stairway. Brexit means nothing to to them. Why would it?
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Originally posted by Captain Vancouver Captain Vancouver wrote:


Originally posted by wolfhnd wolfhnd wrote:

Just keep in mind that while Britain has been a member of the EU it's poverty rate has climbed. Hordes of bureaucrats, and millions of gender study degrees does not a paradise make.


All those millions (thousands?) of gender study people, snakes in the grass no doubt. Nice to be ride of them, then we could go back to spousal assault without sanction, and locking up gays.

By the way, what has actually happened to the "poverty rate" in Britain over the years, and what has happened to other similar nations, in regard to poverty and inequality? If it is all due to those hordes in Brussels, they must have a long reach indeed.


What a lovely argument, if you want to stop public funding for ideologues who reject all imperial data and embrace post modern idiocy then you must be in favor of rape. Even if you ignore how intellectually dishonest this ad hominem style of debate is I don't see why leaving the EU means that Britain will be unable to rationally address domestic issues. I do however see how the simplistic rhetoric of third wave feminism may erode sexual relations in ways detrimental to British society.
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Originally posted by wolfhnd wolfhnd wrote:

Originally posted by Captain Vancouver Captain Vancouver wrote:


Originally posted by wolfhnd wolfhnd wrote:

Just keep in mind that while Britain has been a member of the EU it's poverty rate has climbed. Hordes of bureaucrats, and millions of gender study degrees does not a paradise make.


All those millions (thousands?) of gender study people, snakes in the grass no doubt. Nice to be ride of them, then we could go back to spousal assault without sanction, and locking up gays.

By the way, what has actually happened to the "poverty rate" in Britain over the years, and what has happened to other similar nations, in regard to poverty and inequality? If it is all due to those hordes in Brussels, they must have a long reach indeed.


What a lovely argument, if you want to stop public funding for ideologues who reject all imperial data and embrace post modern idiocy then you must be in favor of rape. Even if you ignore how intellectually dishonest this ad hominem style of debate is I don't see why leaving the EU means that Britain will be unable to rationally address domestic issues. I do however see how the simplistic rhetoric of third wave feminism may erode sexual relations in ways detrimental to British society.

Third wave feminism- that's an interesting term. Perhaps you will expand on that. 

I find the rest of your reply a little disjointed. Rape was not mentioned, either for or against. There is nothing dishonest in describing the society of a half century ago, when a women's place was in the home, and if they got too far out of place could expect a slap on  the head from the cruder sort, or at least a tut tut and reminder of their place from the more sophisticated. Remember those days? The fact that these, and other sociological phenomena are today discussed in academia, rather than being swept under the carpet with a wink and an nudge, is progress to my mind.

There were also no ad hominem items mentioned, the debate is about your ideas as presented here, not you personally.

Britain, I suspect, will address its issues, domestic and foreign, and come to some reasonable terms with it. The sad part is they will be no further ahead economically, and perhaps somewhat behind, after renegotiating trade agreements with  countries that the UK needs more than they need the UK. In the long run what may be worse is the undercutting of one of the more progressive ideas of the 20th century, an attempt to rise above petty nationalism and create a larger community based on ideals higher than "my country, right or wrong". And yes the EU has not done the best job of realizing some of those ideas, but it  is still light years ahead of what came before in history.
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BREXIT !!!

"We have voted to leave the European Union and become a fully independent, sovereign country"

What you have voted for is to have only you to blame.
Bureaucracy wil not be eradicated.
Immigration related problems will not be solved.
Poverty will not be eradicated.
"Parasites" will continue to be.
Ideologues will continue to spawn.
"Idiots" will continue to vote.
Economy will not flourish.

Two new groups of people have been created for the benefit of those who created them.
Brexit will be negociated, and renegociated and then some...
People will continue to talk, get angry, call themselves names, blame the EU, blame Boris, Blame Obama, etc.. Those who know best will just take advantage of the situation.
Good luck, UK ! Maybe life was too boring for you.
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The British Empire is no more!
UK is just a small island nation. And there is Scotland and Wales and Northern Ireland.
If one accepts the premise that the "right direction" is something that looks like balkanisation then maybe we should all break up into small autarchic entities.
EU is not a perfect thing but I fail to see why the only "right" solution is equivalent to what the US has done in 2003.
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Actually the rejection of European Union has little to do with socialist failure. It has more to do with uncontrolled migration, especially now that illegal immigration is becoming a serious issue for the British. It also has the aspect of self determination as a country - Britain is not quite European in mindset despite the best efforts of European policies and thus we don't like the increasing subjection to and adoption of European control. There is also the public perception of finance. Whatever the truth might be, the British public still think we pay more than we gain as members of the Union.

I would point out that where I currently work has associates of countries from around the world. Some of my team members are from Goa, Poland, and the Czech Republic. We all get along well and no-one has any discriminatory feelings on origin. That's because these people are here officially, with state approval. No-one minds. But the idea that a swathe of foreigners have crept into Britain and taken our jobs is far more insidious.
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