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The ramifications all revolve around trade and immigration...well the main ones anyway.
Although immigration was a motive for the Brexit campaign it hasn't proven to be such a contentious issue, since the government has begun a settlement scheme and respected the rights of EU citizens living and working in Britain. The intended introduction of an Australian style points based immigration system does not appear in anti-government rhetoric either, partly because it hasn't been implemented yet nor has its exact nature been specified publicly.

Quote There is great concern in some circles that BREXIT will cripple the UK economy for years to come.I don't know.
The economic impact is already being felt. The company I work for abandoned it's operation in Britain because of both global economic issues and the potential difficulties the head office imagined would result from Britain's exit. My job ceases to be by June 2021, maybe before. This is to be expected. However, Britain will no longer be bound to EU rules about trade deals and thus can begin building a stronger economic network beyond that which WTO rules currently cater for. The Japanese have already announced they want to do business, Trump was quick off the starting blocks to announce he wants a bumper deal with the UK once the election was won, and if I remember right, South Korea is waiting in the wings. Britain has a strong market - I said a long time ago it would be hard to ignore as a business opportunity, but few people were in doubt that short term difficulty would result from change.

Quote But it's somewhat academic at the moment, the people have spoken, apparently, by voting Boris in with  a resounding majority according to the latest exit poll results.
A powerful majority for the Conservatives. Corbyn has returned the worst Labour result since the 1930's and has announced he's stepping down. That in my view is the best part of this result because that lunatic Marxist manifesto of his has not shown itself attractive to the British public. As for Swinson, one can't help feeling amused. One minute she was claiming she could be Prime Minister, the next shje doesn't have a parliamentary seat at all!
 
The fly in the ointment right now ias the Scottish Nationalists. England and Wales are largely blue, Scotland is largely yellow, and thus confrantations about independence are inevitable however undesirable. The irony for the Socts is however that the SNP has always claimed that Scotland voted against Brexit (no it didn't - that referendum was a UK vote, not a Scottish one, even if Scotland voted to remain as a whole). If they become independent, they automatically leave the EU anyway :D
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Bring back Enoch!!!LOL
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"Although immigration was a motive for the Brexit campaign it hasn't proven to be such a contentious issue, since the government has begun a settlement scheme and respected the rights of EU citizens living and working in Britain. The intended introduction of an Australian style points based immigration system does not appear in anti-government rhetoric either, partly because it hasn't been implemented yet nor has its exact nature been specified publicly."

As in the US, a million scams flood into UK with 'migrants' and their crimes have generated serious hostility in both countries among citizens.
If Uber in London isn't paying a rapist to drive they are subletting rapists from- international crime syndicates who thrive in the bureaucracy of Immigration-any country has a vulnerability there, so many ways to circumvent the law with goods or people.
This is pre-Brexit and pre- Hard Border if it comes to that, conservatives in UK should be making the case now or Johnson will see that the press reports the rape/phishing scams/human trafficking as a result of the break from EU.
BBC radio was reporting in 2015 that the NHS was severely strained by the influx then, now you are getting South Americans too. The points immigration not yet implemented or fully conceived of is late coming, illustrates the shock and brutality really of Merkel in releasing so many people so suddenly who were already fed and sheltered. 
Why was there ever an EU? 
Was it so that one conflicted world leader could unleash economic and cultural mischief on capitalist countries? 
Good luck with that BS in India, Angela.  


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6562151/Deliveroo-Uber-Eats-riders-renting-jobs-illegal-immigrants.html

Deliveroo and Uber Eats riders 'are renting their jobs to illegal immigrants in a black market that allows them to work without record checks'



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Another thought comes to mind.

During the UK's membership of the EU, people from other member nations were permitted to move between those countries, to settle and work. When BREXIT becomes a fact, will they be permitted to remain in the UK?
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There is a settlement scheme in action, whereby resident EU nationals can remain in the UK. The restrictions apply to new migration.
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Finally through the looking glass huh? It went quickly once some decisions were made as the world media is dishing it.
Now the EU is probably going to need UK to keep them in the loop with supply, I read that UK has been getting sub par product from EU while UK is paying too much. There is an eye towards leveling the playing field for Europe's benefit, wow it's Obama on the continent.
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I must have blinked.  Things were frozen on Brexit, and things now sound like they are freed up.  Of course, there was a big election in Britain (that I don't necessarily understand well), which the party(s) on the side of the brexiteers won.  But, how are things now different than pre-election and why are they different?  (I am not saying that they are not different, nor am I saying they should not be different(double negatives warning)).

Without necessarily knowing what I am optimistic about, I am cautiously optimistic.
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Reading UK newspapers is fun. In one sense they are excruciatingly devoted to details and informing the elected class of what their responsibilities are and what they must fear. They are much better at the spin than CNN/MSNBC and their ilk, smarter and better educated. This does not curb the dishonesty factor one iota lol, they are just better liars.
The Guardian is quaking with manufactured fear that Brits will have to eat chlorine washed chickens from the US bc of TRUMP!!!. Mind you, no trade agreement has been enacted with the US and UK has been eating chlorine washed veggies and meat they simply banned the practice in some production inside UK- this is just 'prep fear.'

Fears over chlorine-washed chicken and other US farming practices have been described by US ambassador to the UK Woody Johnson as "inflammatory and misleading".

Mr Johnson urged the UK to embrace US farming methods after Washington published its objectives for a UK-US trade deal. He said the process was used by EU farmers to treat vegetables, and that it was the best way to deal with salmonella and other bacteria.

So is it safe? The evidence suggests the chlorine wash itself is not harmful. But the concern is that treating meat with chlorine at the end allows poorer hygiene elsewhere in the production process.

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Quote I must have blinked.  Things were frozen on Brexit, and things now sound like they are freed up.  Of course, there was a big election in Britain (that I don't necessarily understand well), which the party(s) on the side of the brexiteers won.  But, how are things now different than pre-election and why are they different?  (I am not saying that they are not different, nor am I saying they should not be different(double negatives warning)).
 
The issue for the prior three years was that Mrs May, then PM, tried to get a stronger Commons majority by holding an election. It was disastrous, she lost her majority and that meant for three years she was putting forward Brexit solutions to a House that was going to vote against them. Eventually she had to stand down, and Mr Johnson took over. He was more charismatic, a better public speaker, and much more passionate than Mrs May (who was actually very determined to uphold the result of the Brexit Referendum that ousted her predecessor, Mr Cameron). Johnson now has a successful election result, a commanding majority in the House of Commons, and is therefore able to pass resolutions by voting without much to worry about.
 
Remember that infamous October 31st deadline last year? Despite Boris Johnson giving Brexit both barrels, this was before his landslide result and he was unable to move the situation anymore than May had been. Also note that Johnson has been very successful in negotiation with the EU. May could barely get them to agree anything (the EU did not want us to leave and even now still wants to control the UK). Johnson has broken through that barrier with the Withdrawal Bill and its subsequent approval by the EU. However, the details of UK/EU relations are not decided upon. We are now in a transition period which ends in December where nothing radical actually changes yet. The EU are greatly concerned that Britain will move off at a tangent because they would far rather we behaved like Norway, with compliant policies, whereas the noises from the British Government say that conformity is not on the agenda.
 
We're officially out of Europe, but still compliant until December.
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