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    Posted: 29 Sep 2015 at 00:02
What does the evidence of animal worship suggest about the people of Catal Huyuk ?
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Religious belief is hard to deduce from physical remains.  Archaeologists are not usually able to deduce beliefs from ruins and artifacts.  On the other hand, if they find something and they don't know what it is, it is easy to say that it is "religious" in nature.  Because it is "easy," it is relatively worthless as far as giving insight into the ancient culture.  Of course, maybe there are altars and other structures that could tell one a little about the site.
One thing that is deduced from 1st dynasty Egyptian artifacts is what animals were common to the area when the artifacts were made.  So that may be something one could do for animal depictions from Catal Huyuk.
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You're welcome.  I hope I can be of some help.
Article I was thinking about was "Modern Lessons from Ancient Food Webs- From the Cambrian Burgess Shale to Ancient Egypt, Food Webs Share Surprising Structural Attributes, When Redundancy is Lost, the Threat of Extinction Grows." by Justin D Yeakel and Jennifer A. Dunne in American Scientist May-June
I haven't read it yet.
One artifact that I have also heard about elsewhere in a similar context is siltstone ceremonial palette 5150 years old, [first dynasty?!?]  also a box from Tutankhamen's tomb depicts numerous animals.   These are both mentioned in the article.
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Çatalhöyük is a fascinating site, and animals figure prominently.  How to interpret the images and remains of animals found there is speculative, of course.  If we found the remains of, say, a Canadian hunting lodge, with heads of moose, bison, elk, etc., would we infer animal worship?  I think it is safe to say that all people of that ancient prepottery Neolithic time were very superstitious (as we would call them today).  Superstition and religion are not quite entirely coextensive (some superstitions are not religious).  You've read the book, "Leopard's Tale"?
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I am more curious about Boncuklu Tarla

As I understand the excavation works are still in progress. But does anybody know the details?


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Good site for animal info

http://www.ancient-wisdom.com/turkeycatalhuyuk.htm

Vulture worship - In many of the shrines the walls were adorned with enormous skeletal representations of vultures.  Human breasts were found moulded on the walls from plaster, behind which were found actual vulture skulls with their beaks protruding to form the nipples. The emulation of the vultures can be interpreted in terms of an association with the death process. The elaborate decoration of the shrines suggests the presence of a 'priesthood', and presumably, some concept of an afterlife.

Note: The Vulture is often portrayed in Egyptian hieroglyphs as carrying the 'Ba' or 'soul', (left), perhaps justifying Collins theory of an association between the prehistoric people of the Anatolian highlands and the 'Elder-Gods', spoken of in Egyptian mythology (2).

Evidence from recent (1999) examination of human remains at the site indicate that excarnation (removal of flesh after death as a result of vultures etc). was not carried out as once thought. (5)

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Ancient Carvings Show Evidence of a Comet Swarm Hitting Earth Around 13,000 Years Ago

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1 MAY 2019

Researchers have translated famous ancient symbols in a temple in Turkey, and they tell the story of a devastating comet impact more than 13,000 years ago.

Cross-checking the event with computer simulations of the Solar System around that time, researchers in 2017 suggested that the carvings could describe a comet impact that occurred around 10,950 BCE - about the same time a mini ice age started that changed civilisation forever.

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Ancient Anatolians do appear to have had beliefs about death.Today in Nepal Vultures are still used in the Buddhist death ritual where the dead are carved up by a non Buddhist and fed to the Vultures. The birds are carrying the flesh back to the beginning. After being stripped of meat the dead were then placed in burial pits under the floors at Catal Huyuk. Ancient Celts also exposed bodies before mound burials.
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Doesn't Jainism (or Sikh) put bodies out for the vultures?
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

Doesn't Jainism (or Sikh) put bodies out for the vultures?

Now Sikhs and Jains are cremating 

It seems that all over Asia and Europe it was a common practice, evidence for the practice as early as Late Pleistocene, Levant.

It is was still being practiced in India in the 1980's then the vulture population was almost exterminated. Toxins that are fed to cattle end up poisoning the birds. Crows and Skates usually get to eat the bodies, taking weeks instead of days without a pack of vultures to dispose of a body. Lack of large birds means bodies are stored in solar, mummifying holding to control order. 


There seem to be many uses and various origins of the Greek word for bird, I'm not sure which word is acceptable.
Do you know?


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