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    Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 07:58
Well radical chic and national myth was rampant in Copiapo Chile today--
 

Chile's rescued miners pelted with fruit, stones

By EVA VERGARA
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Aug. 6, 2011, 6:56PM

COPIAPO, Chile — It has been a bittersweet anniversary for Chile's rescued miners, who were honored as heroes in their hometown only to come under attack by anti-government protesters who threw fruit and small stones at them, accusing them of being ungrateful, greedy sellouts.

Chilean President Sebastian Pinera and his ministers joined most of the 33 miners Friday at a Catholic Mass and then the inauguration of a regional museum exhibit recognizing their remarkable survival story.

But the events were marred by scuffles between riot police and students, teachers, environmentalists and other miners, all trying to make Pinera bow to their pressure on issues from reforming public education and increasing miners' pay to stopping controversial dams and power plants.

Some of the activists threw oranges and apples at the miners, accusing them of getting too cozy with Pinera's government and trying to cash in on their fame.

The treatment shocked rescued miner Omar Reygadas into silence. His son told The Associated Press in an interview that his father was deeply hurt to be accused of selling out to the government. Other activists shouted that the miners were trying to get rich with their $17 million lawsuit accusing Chile's mine regulator of failing to enforce safety requirements.

"My father was saddened, deeply saddened. He doesn't understand how people could act this way," said his son, also named Omar Reygadas. "When I got home I found him sitting alone, very sad. I asked him what happened and at first he wouldn't say anything, but gradually he let on what happened."



Read more: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/world/7686373.html#ixzz1UK6BMX5H
 
The story is worth reading in its entirety because it contains thematics that underscore why mythmaking and surreal "causes" generate not only irrational behavior but give lie to the notion that all is well in Araucania! These distensions that turn causes and not social cohesion as the forum for action raises the questions that perhaps Chileans have not learned much in the last generation specially the young after the challenge to the integrity of education under the guise of ideological alienation...
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Yes Chileans often act irrationally when presented with challenges that other nationalities would welcome.
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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

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The story is worth reading in its entirety because it contains thematics that underscore why mythmaking and surreal "causes" generate not only irrational behavior but give lie to the notion that all is well in Araucania! These distensions that turn causes and not social cohesion as the forum for action raises the questions that perhaps Chileans have not learned much in the last generation specially the young after the challenge to the integrity of education under the guise of ideological alienation...


When are you going to stop to behave like a child?

It is quite obvious you opened this thread to take revenge, and it is also obvious you have no idea about the topic.


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Originally posted by whalebreath whalebreath wrote:

Yes Chileans often act irrationally when presented with challenges that other nationalities would welcome.


Yes, Chileans are irrational. That's why Chileans saved theirs miners. Most other nations would have let them die. That's the difference.
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

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The story is worth reading in its entirety because it contains thematics that underscore why mythmaking and surreal "causes" generate not only irrational behavior but give lie to the notion that all is well in Araucania! These distensions that turn causes and not social cohesion as the forum for action raises the questions that perhaps Chileans have not learned much in the last generation specially the young after the challenge to the integrity of education under the guise of ideological alienation...


When are you going to stop to behave like a child?

It is quite obvious you opened this thread to take revenge, and it is also obvious you have no idea about the topic.
 
A la Rostand's Cyrano, must I proclaim touche! If you have any quarrels with the content of the reporting, I would suggest you correspond with Eva as she's AP's "woman on the scene". You are a bit tetchy when subjects close to your feathers are ruffled in the manner and form you freely employ on other nationalities. Must one underscore that apparently the young are appealing to "tradition" and engaging in street thuggery as a valid means of political expression?
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

....That's why Chileans saved theirs miners. Most other nations would have let them die. 
Unlike you I've actually worked underground-you have No Idea how the mining business works.
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Originally posted by whalebreath whalebreath wrote:

Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

....That's why Chileans saved theirs miners. Most other nations would have let them die. 
Unlike you I've actually worked underground-you have No Idea how the mining business works.


Wrong. I have been inside mines, I work in computer projects for minning companies, and one of my sons is studying minning engineering. I bet I understand the business quite a lot more than you think.
On the other hand, you have no idea how Chileans think, and what happened in the events doc carefully selected.
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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:


A la Rostand's Cyrano, must I proclaim touche! If you have any quarrels with the content of the reporting, I would suggest you correspond with Eva as she's AP's "woman on the scene". You are a bit tetchy when subjects close to your feathers are ruffled in the manner and form you freely employ on other nationalities. Must one underscore that apparently the young are appealing to "tradition" and engaging in street thuggery as a valid means of political expression?


You throw the stone and hide the hand... A coward attitude, doc.

If you don't know about a topic, please ask. I know WHY that event happened, while you ignore it.
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Yes, I throw the stone and hide the hand, how typically Chilean of me! Oh excuse me they were throwing the surplus fruits generated by industrialized agriculture. That the perpetrators were student that obviously have too much free time on their hands and view social action as an excuse for patently criminal behavior because their "entitlements" are challenged truly belongs in the realm of narcissitic selfishness and not political maturity. You yourself encourage such types of peculiarism each time you commence one of your Mapuche harangues that demand that History itself be caricatured so as to be of service to nationalist myth-making. What better example of class envy and jealousy as motivation can be captured other than by illustrating such irrational behavior as examples of political protest. 
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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

Yes, I throw the stone and hide the hand, how typically Chilean of me!..


No. It is not typical Chilean, but it is yours personality.

You can't stand people show you are wrong in public, in the way I have done, so you take revenge like the little naughty kid you are... in yours second infancy, of course. Wink
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Revenge? Why is the presentation of the bald truth taken as an act of revenge? Such could only be the reaction of a narcissist whose interpretation of beauty is undergoing challenge. That you choose to defends such acts of public boorishness simply underscores that when it comes to Chile your black is white and all can easily be rationalized by blaming the victims and not the perpetrators. What next the Chilean president little other than a "gorilla" in the making?
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Who are you fooling, doc?
Instead of looking for Chilean gorillas, you should better get rid of the idiots that rule your country.



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Penguin, a little note of caution: When dealing with someone whose computer speeds (both download and upload are at Max) whatever you write originally is what reaches my mailbox. Get a grip on life since "you've been found out", and without realizing it further prooved my point: your chauvinism makes you myopic when it comes not only to historical analysis but ideological flimflam. My advice: stop embarrasing yourself or it will come back and bite you!
 
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

I have been inside mines, I work in computer projects for minning companies, and one of my sons is studying minning engineering. I bet I understand the business quite a lot more than you think.
Visiting on a tour doesn't constitute drilling rock/blasting and removing ore-all of which I have done and you haven't.

I've also installed the life support systems and the railway lines underground-all 100% hand labour-something else you've never done.

Unlike you I've performed underground rescues and was an integral member of the rescue team on our shift-there is nothing you could tell me about working underground-Again I say working.


Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

 On the other hand, you have no idea how Chileans think, and what happened in the events doc carefully selected.
OTOH Vancouver BC has long been a refuge for Chileans fleeing oppression and I know a number of expat Chileans of different political persuasions who have found shelter here over the past 40 years.

In addition the monkey like antics of Chileans rich kids often makes the news here-usually in the novelty section.

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 Penguin, a little note of caution:....When it comes to the "I" word, stay away from mirrors!
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Originally posted by Dolphin Dolphin wrote:

Why don't the mods show some balls and shut this troll-thread down? 
 
In my case anyway because I don't think anyone was trolling, drgonzaga's post of a news report was on lines we frequently see about other countries, so Chile shouldn't need special protection, and bec ause Whalebreath in particular is doing a good job.
 
Now - accusing the moderators of having no balls - if that isn't delberately trolling, what is?
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Originally posted by gcle2003 gcle2003 wrote:

Originally posted by Dolphin Dolphin wrote:

Why don't the mods show some balls and shut this troll-thread down? 
 
In my case anyway because I don't think anyone was trolling, drgonzaga's post of a news report was on lines we frequently see about other countries, so Chile shouldn't need special protection, and bec ause Whalebreath in particular is doing a good job.
 
Now - accusing the moderators of having no balls - if that isn't delberately trolling, what is?


As long as you're happy about consistency, fine. Which would of course involve sanctioning me for trolling and finding the rest of the thread appropriate. That would be the fairest solution, absolutely.




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Originally posted by Dolphin Dolphin wrote:

Originally posted by gcle2003 gcle2003 wrote:

Originally posted by Dolphin Dolphin wrote:

Why don't the mods show some balls and shut this troll-thread down? 
 
In my case anyway because I don't think anyone was trolling, drgonzaga's post of a news report was on lines we frequently see about other countries, so Chile shouldn't need special protection, and bec ause Whalebreath in particular is doing a good job.
 
Now - accusing the moderators of having no balls - if that isn't delberately trolling, what is?


As long as you're happy about consistency, fine. Which would of course involve sanctioning me for trolling and finding the rest of the thread appropriate. That would be the fairest solution, absolutely.
No it wouldn't. For one thing you're confusing 'fair' and 'consistent' with each other and both with 'equally', but I still don't agree with your suggestion the other posters to the thread were trolling.
 
Drgonzaga began by (implicitly) criticising the part of the Chilean population for what appears to be accurately reported actions. If that is 'trolling' then either most of our thread starters are trolls, or there is some special reason why Chile or Chileans should be exempt from criticism. Pinguin responded with direct attacks on drgonzaga ('child', 'coward') which falls close to breaching the code on personal attacks, but I don't see how it is trolling, in that it wasn't an irrelevant comment deliberately provoking an disruptive response. Whalebreath was obviously irritated at pinguin's claim to understand about underground mining, and came into the discussion providing an account of his own claim to expertise, which certainly seems greater than anything pinguin can claim.
 
So where's the trolling?
 
On the other hand, instead of simply complaining about the way the discussion was going, (or using the approved method of complaining to the moderators) which would be legitimate, deliberately giving out with insulting remarks about the moderators was irrelevant to the discussion and performed no purpose except to be disruptive. Since there are degrees of seriousness of trolling and you don't have any previous history I'm aware of, I don't think it was worth taking any action other than to warn.
 
But to claim that all instances of trolling should be dealt with in the same way is silly. Even cases of murder aren't treated the same way.


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Originally posted by gcle2003 gcle2003 wrote:

 
In my case anyway because I don't think anyone was trolling,

Of course this is a trolling thread, opened just to bug me.

Drgonzaga is a troll, he has always been, and with licence for trolling, I guess
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No it wouldn't. For one thing you're confusing 'fair' and 'consistent' with each other and both with 'equally', but I still don't agree with your suggestion the other posters to the thread were trolling.

What I had said wasn't confused at all, in fact it was ironic, as I'm sure you spotted.

Originally posted by gcle2003 gcle2003 wrote:

Drgonzaga began by (implicitly) criticising the part of the Chilean population for what appears to be accurately reported actions. If that is 'trolling' then either most of our thread starters are trolls, or there is some special reason why Chile or Chileans should be exempt from criticism. Pinguin responded with direct attacks on drgonzaga ('child', 'coward') which falls close to breaching the code on personal attacks, but I don't see how it is trolling, in that it wasn't an irrelevant comment deliberately provoking an disruptive response. Whalebreath was obviously irritated at pinguin's claim to understand about underground mining, and came into the discussion providing an account of his own claim to expertise, which certainly seems greater than anything pinguin can claim.
 
So where's the trolling?

What was the purpose of the criticism? It serves the same purpose as me starting a topic about how there are teenagers in Tottenham with chips on their shoulders, and their behaviour is indicative of the rationale of the general population. Hardly something of great merit to start with. It basically serves as an ad hominem by proxy. You also failed to mention the direct attacks on Pinguin once he had taken this garbed bait dangled in front of him.

Originally posted by gcle2003 gcle2003 wrote:

On the other hand, instead of simply complaining about the way the discussion was going, (or using the approved method of complaining to the moderators) which would be legitimate, deliberately giving out with insulting remarks about the moderators was irrelevant to the discussion and performed no purpose except to be disruptive. Since there are degrees of seriousness of trolling and you don't have any previous history I'm aware of, I don't think it was worth taking any action other than to warn.

But to claim that all instances of trolling should be dealt with in the same way is silly. Even cases of murder aren't treated the same way.

Well, I suppose I must be thankful then for your leniency Shocked And now you've got me in a catch 22, where every response is a further disruption to this vaunted thread. Honestly, the thread deserves to be unhinged anyway. That is of course unless a certain someone had it coming and as long as it doesn't go too far downhill let's all look the other way?

I didn't claim at all that all instances of trolling should be dealt with in the same way either. I do claim however that all instigators of trolling should be subject to a consistent application of the CoC, in the interest of fairness. Now that can't be a confused position.



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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Originally posted by gcle2003 gcle2003 wrote:

 
In my case anyway because I don't think anyone was trolling,

Of course this is a trolling thread, opened just to bug me.

Drgonzaga is a troll, he has always been, and with licence for trolling, I guess
 
The mature response would have been to place the international reporting in perspective and explained the situation within the context of Chilean social tensions, oh ye feathered fusspot. Instead and perfectly in your flawed character, you resort to the personal and attach to others what is--and the evidence is clear on each and every thread of this Forum--your modus operandi. If you are bugged it is simply because not only are you predictable but your intellectual train chugs along on a single track. In that you characterize Judith Donath's classic definition of a troll:
 
 
Trolling is a game about identity deception, albeit one that is played without the consent of most of the players. The troll attempts to pass as a legitimate participant, sharing the group's common interests and concerns; the newsgroups members, if they are cognizant of trolls and other identity deceptions, attempt to both distinguish real from trolling postings, and upon judging a poster a troll, make the offending poster leave the group. Their success at the former depends on how well they — and the troll — understand identity cues; their success at the latter depends on whether the troll's enjoyment is sufficiently diminished or outweighed by the costs imposed by the group.

Trolls can be costly in several ways. A troll can disrupt the discussion on a newsgroup, disseminate bad advice, and damage the feeling of trust in the newsgroup community. Furthermore, in a group that has become sensitized to trolling — where the rate of deception is high — many honestly naïve questions may be quickly rejected as trollings. This can be quite off-putting to the new user who upon venturing a first posting is immediately bombarded with angry accusations. Even if the accusation is unfounded, being branded a troll is quite damaging to one's online reputation.

 
 
 
That you feel free to give your two cents on other peoples, other nations, and even continents in the manner of a self-satisfied fool is neither here-nor-there, but that you refuse to either clarify, verify or put in context a very important story on the international horizon reveals your hand. Why should one accept any element of honesty in any of your assessments when you venture foolishness on other societies and individuals, if when it comes to your own you refuse to confront the contradictions of its realities. If you are in search of trolls my advice is to avoid mirrors!
 
That you immediately chose to disrupt an inquiry over an important current event by not addressing the subject and instead entered into petulant mode speaks for itself.


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Sir, you are a troll. You don't fool anyone.
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Another has thrown a gratuitous comment that the "thread" deserves to be "unhinged", which in itself is a trolling demand because if you do know your Chilean social history, the public vehemence directed at the "miners" not only has historical context but underscores the resurgence of class tensions that have surfaced repeatedly in Chile since the 1930s, and within the context of contemporary South America is in sharp dissonance with what is evolving in both Argentina and Brazil. That one particular individual does not wish to "discuss" such and immediately goes into behavior that is classic trolling is indefensible and to persist in compliance such an attitude is in iself trolling for the purpose of disruption.
 
By the way, events in Tottenham should not be so readily dismissed as "hooliganism", which in itself is a rationalization put forth in full foolishness.
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Despite the static, the current urban unrest in Chile is a significant subject that is not being ignored by the international press:
 
Riots in Chile as students defy government ban

Read more:
 
Now if this subject is not worthy of analysis, specially within the context of social distension where reality confronts practice despite all of the vaunted modernity then who is trying to gag whom.
 
Here is the idealization:
 
 
The question to ask is what does the above cited breakdown conceal?
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Originally posted by gcle2003 gcle2003 wrote:

 
In my case anyway because I don't think anyone was trolling,

Of course this is a trolling thread, opened just to bug me.

Drgonzaga is a troll, he has always been, and with licence for trolling, I guess
pnguin, no-one trolls more than you do. You get a jester's licence, though it's faced revocation a couple of times.
 
You must expect to be done to as you do. And no-one criticises Chile just in order to bug you. The same sequence of events in another counrtry would still have attracted the same attention. If you want to deny the truth of the article drgonzaga posted, then deny it and provide soome evidence. If it was accurate, then admit it.
 
Don't just start calling anyone 'child' and 'coward' at least without providing some justification.
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Originally posted by Dolphin Dolphin wrote:

Originally posted by gcle2003 gcle2003 wrote:


No it wouldn't. For one thing you're confusing 'fair' and 'consistent' with each other and both with 'equally', but I still don't agree with your suggestion the other posters to the thread were trolling.

What I had said wasn't confused at all, in fact it was ironic, as I'm sure you spotted.
misses the point completely. I didn't object to your calling the others trolls (after all with Whalebreath's honourable exception they both been calling each other that. You're perfectly free to have your opinion on that and express it, though the proper procedure is through the 'report post' option under 'post options'.
 
The objecction is to your asserting that the moderating staff do not have 'enough balls' to do your bidding. If you want to defend anything, defend that.


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That's why there is a procedure provided for criticising posters and moderators wihout disrupting the flow of the thread.
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Originally posted by gcle2003 gcle2003 wrote:

pnguin, no-one trolls more than you do. You get a jester's licence, though it's faced revocation a couple of times.
 
You must expect to be done to as you do. And no-one criticises Chile just in order to bug you. The same sequence of events in another counrtry would still have attracted the same attention. If you want to deny the truth of the article drgonzaga posted, then deny it and provide soome evidence. If it was accurate, then admit it.


Drgonzaga has a free ride to troll in this site.
He has troll my posts several times. For instance, the thread about the "primitives" was trolled by him. Unfortunatelly for him, he was cought in his own ignorance, because he didn't know the difference between a boomerang and a throwing stick. He also got upset when we were discussing about Inuit snow googles.
Now, it is clear why Drgonzaga started this thread. He was not very happy with the thread where we were discussing about Gutenberg, and again he got upset when he realized Chinese mass produced books and had stone xylographic techniques available. Every time he is cough in a trap, he reacts in a childish way, trolling.

Obviously, Dr. Gonzaga has licence to troll in this forum. I am not naive. He intentionally opened this topic to bug me. It is curious that few people has noticed his behavoir, so obvious. That's all.

By the way, saying that there is a myth about Chile, and that madness rules here, is just anti-Chilean propaganda, that I am not going to accept. If anyone want to discuss about the topic of the miners, I have no problem for doing so. However, first you should get informed about the declarations of the miners with respect to that town, before the events happened. Without knowing that, all the discussion is worthless.





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Originally posted by gcle2003 gcle2003 wrote:

Dolphin, the post that started
Originally posted by Dolphin Dolphin wrote:

Originally posted by gcle2003 gcle2003 wrote:


No it wouldn't. For one thing you're confusing 'fair' and 'consistent' with each other and both with 'equally', but I still don't agree with your suggestion the other posters to the thread were trolling.

What I had said wasn't confused at all, in fact it was ironic, as I'm sure you spotted.
misses the point completely. I didn't object to your calling the others trolls (after all with Whalebreath's honourable exception they both been calling each other that. You're perfectly free to have your opinion on that and express it, though the proper procedure is through the 'report post' option under 'post options'.
 
The objecction is to your asserting that the moderating staff do not have 'enough balls' to do your bidding. If you want to defend anything, defend that.

Well, to be technical, I actually didn't question whether or not said balls were present, rather I invoked the application of balls in this instance, thereby implicitly suggesting they were there all along. Showing balls is somewhat different to growing them. The request is perfectly reasonable if you accept my motivation to make it, other than that it is admittedly going to niggle.

In the contradictory spirit of a soldier shooting a man then offering aid , I apologise for any offence caused, and will remove the post (bullet) if necessary.




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