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    Posted: 12 Apr 2014 at 21:02
Is there any Geopolitical theory from China? Any Rimlands, world islands etc having China in the center? Explaining how Chinese would like to project power?
Any book, link would be highly appreciated.
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China has spread it's influence in the past few years by claiming the Spratley Islands and other small land areas in the South China Sea. It has increased it's  claims by building military installations on the Spratleys, and using it's navy to prevent incursions into what it claim is their territory, although the International Court of Justice has ruled that China has no legal claims in the area.

The small island chains in the South China Sea are also claimed by up to seven other countries.

China has just launched it's second Aircraft Carrier, and one of the main roles of a carrier is to enforce influence far from home shores, it's almost certain to be used in the South China Sea.

Two months ago three Australian Navy ships were "warned off" while conducting patrols in the area in accordance with accepted rules of maritime navigation. This week, two US ships were similarly warned off.

The time is rapidly approaching when the claimants to the islands, backed by either the UN or allied forces from Australia and the US, rallied to prevent China remaining on the Spratleys. A 1960's style blockade comes immediately to mind.
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Surely, the importance of the Spratley's are more than just a few postage stamps of geography?

The Chinese wish to flex their muscle and assert their "rights."  While they may have launched a second carrier, they have a long way to go to meet the US' thirteen(?) supercarriers.  I think France and Britain each have one.  I am not sure if Britain still uses Harriers.  Russia probably has some capability with helicopters.

China is also butting up against the Japanese over some rocks south of Okinawa.  The Chinese are pushing on several fronts so that even if they don't get anything on some fronts, they probably will on others.
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You're missing the point. Sure, the US has 13 nuclear powered aircraft carriers, for the very same reason, projection of influence far from home.

I suggest the new carrier launched by China will be used in the South China Sea to project a very visible influence in the area.

Will the US and it's allies confront China over their occupation of the Spratleys and the Paraceles?
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I am not questioning that the Spratleys and other sites are important, I am asking _why_ are they important to Australia, to others and to the US.
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These islands are in some of the major sea-roads to Asia.

The area claimed by China reaches almost down to Indonesia, and from the Spratleys and Paraceles, China would be able to restrict shipping to Japan, Taiwan Korea etc.

Militarily, China would be in a position to launch missiles against Indonesian and Australian targets, posing a direct threat.

The International Arbitration Court has refuted China's claim to the South China sea, and, IMHO, an international armada should blockade the islands to prevent China's spread.

If you look at one of the many on-line maps of China's claim, you'll see how far south it extends and why we should be concerned.


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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

I am not questioning that the Spratleys and other sites are important, I am asking _why_ are they important to Australia, to others and to the US.


For China its the flexing of old hegomonic muscles, plus oil. The spratleys are important to other countries claims due to proximity of said islands to their borders. Plus oil.

For Australia, even though i reckon they dont know it, the stability of the region is in question and thereby their security and their ability to remain aloof and at peace in the region is being compromised by China's actions.

The islands themselves arent that important to the US per se. However, the US has built alliances and fought wars over the centuries for the belief in freedom of the seas and the ability of all nations naval trade to go unmolested. Open sea lanes are important to the global economy and the US. Most recent action in history confirming our naval supremacy and ability to ensure freedom of the seas was the end of world war two.
Were the US to abandon or fail n this, would see the global economy take a hundred steps back to the pre 19th century of tributaries and unfair tolls placed on any country wishing to pass through another countries sea borders. Unfair advantages al around.
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Hi Panther, good to hear from you.

Quote For Australia, even though i reckon they don't know it, the stability of the region is in question and thereby their security and their ability to remain aloof and at peace in the region is being compromised by China's actions.

Of course Australia is aware of the ability of China to destabilise the region by annexing the islands.

The Chinese line of demarcation extends to close to Indonesia, in whose territory is one of the worlds shipping "choke points". China knows this, and from the islands will be close enough to shut the choke points if they so decide. 

There have been recent rumours also that China has made moves to establish a naval base in Vanuatu, which is Australia's back yard. Vanuatu has denied this.

Australia, the US and their allies must deny China's domination of the South China Sea for reasons of security as well as trade.
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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Hi Panther, good to hear from you.

Quote For Australia, even though i reckon they don't know it, the stability of the region is in question and thereby their security and their ability to remain aloof and at peace in the region is being compromised by China's actions.

Of course Australia is aware of the ability of China to destabilise the region by annexing the islands.

The Chinese line of demarcation extends to close to Indonesia, in whose territory is one of the worlds shipping "choke points". China knows this, and from the islands will be close enough to shut the choke points if they so decide. 

There have been recent rumours also that China has made moves to establish a naval base in Vanuatu, which is Australia's back yard. Vanuatu has denied this.

Australia, the US and their allies must deny China's domination of the South China Sea for reasons of security as well as trade.
toyomotor, why hasn't Vanuatu been built up more by AU? They still remember the canned Spam from WW2!


http://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/13/world/asia/vanuatu-china-wharf.html
 

The wharf, Australian officials said, could lead to China seizing strategic property and becoming a more direct military threat, within striking distance of Australia’s east coast.

But in a sign of the growing divide over China’s role, Vanuatu’s leaders are pushing back — sharing for the first time the contract this country signed with China for the wharf, and arguing they are perfectly capable of paying back the loans and making decisions on their own about when to work with China.

“The loan was considered economically viable for such infrastructure as the main gateway for international trade between the northern part of the country and the rest of the world,” said Foreign Minister Ralph Regenvanu of Vanuatu.


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Don't know the answer to your question.

Like many other small islands in our region, Vanuatu is a recipient of our overseas aid.

I can't see Australia ( and the US for that matter) tolerating a Chinese base at Vanuatu, but, having said that, our northern most capital, Darwin, has leased it's waterfront management to a Chinese company
for 99 years. 

Seems like madness to me.

The Australian Federal government, in my mind, is running hat and cold on China. One one hand trying to make more and more trade deals, permitting the sale of Australian infrastructure to Chinese interests, while on the other hand condemning China's incursion into the SoChi Sea, and civil rights.
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Now there is free trade among ten countries in the AESEAN trade agreement including China.
If the China interferes with shipping, doesn't that mean tariffs? Tariffs for AU, New Zealand etc?
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Originally posted by Vanuatu Vanuatu wrote:

Now there is free trade among ten countries in the AESEAN trade agreement including China.
If the China interferes with shipping, doesn't that mean tariffs? Tariffs for AU, New Zealand etc?

I'd say so. If China ever gets to fully control the South China Sea, world trade will definately suffer, and militarily they could get to control all of South East Asia.

Somehow, I don't think the USA will allow China to control the seaways.
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