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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Northman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Mar 2018 at 20:22
50 years ago I saw a reference in an old norse script with a word very similar to the one more of you have mentioned earlier. 
The word was "Omerike" where we know that "rike" means land and "ome" was an expression for the edge of the world .... the world far out.

I have never been able to look it up again - maybe because I never got a chance to visit the same library again.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Vanuatu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Mar 2018 at 02:30
Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

I think that you mean Geniza (Genizah), not Ginza.  Ginza is a district of Tokyo.  Geniza is a repository for worn out Jewish documents, of which the Cairo and the Afghan Geniza are examples.  But, if it is in the Geniza documents or the Mandaeans it is safe from me.
Ginza are the holy books of the Mandaeans. http://gnosis.org/library/ginzarba.htm

Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

Anyways, we are a long way off from Christopher Columbus.  From my understanding, the Arabs were cutting off the trade routes to the East, and the Venetians dominated what was left of those routes.  Portugal controlled the route around the Cape of Good Hope.
Portuguese Templars controlled the trade around the horn of Africa and had a port in Old Goa India. They built a fort, amassed great wealth. Some were eventually driven off and some were stranded there, just like in France. The fort still exists today. Multiple grave markers are preserved in old Goa and all 22 Portuguese grand masters are honored in writing. 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote franciscosan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Mar 2018 at 23:34
in wiktionary, riki is 'state' in Old Norse, and, maybe Icelandic.
Didn't see anything for Om, but you might run through wiktionary, varying the vowels particular, also ohm, ahm....  Of course, spelling was not standardized, until about the time of the enlightenment, for some dialects later.  The Scottish philosopher, David Hume's family name was sometimes spelled 'Home.'  The English have this preposterous belief that the word, "color" has a 'u' in it. ;)

From what I understand, the Portuguese had an old fashioned book burning, destroying the manuscripts of the Christians in India, because they were "heretical."  I believe that the Indians were followers of Thomas, like those who followed the Gospel of Thomas.  I don't know how much the Templars participated in that (did it), but given human nature I imagine they were in the middle of it, vying for power. 
What is that region quarreled over by India and Pakistan?  Kashmir?  There was a tradition that Jesus' grave was there.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote toyomotor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Mar 2018 at 04:42
The OP stated 
Quote Why 1492? Fully discuss the economic, political and scientific factors that made Columbus' voyage possible.

To date we've gone all around what the OP asked for, and, to a fair extent, gone off track.

To be very brief, I suggest that:-
1. The economic was that Portugal, and all of the other so-called Colonising Countries, were searching for new trade markets and opportunities. Minds were starting to open to the fact that there must be a big world outside Europe and it was worth looking for it;

2. Politically, many European countries were vying for these same markets, and in order to capitalise on them, effort needed to be made and money spent on exploring and claiming land for the home country. World dominance by another name?

3. The only scientific factor that I can think of is the revelation that the world is not, in fact, flat, and one would not sail off the end. It therefore made sense that if one put to sea and sailed either due east or due west, one should most certainly find new lands, and benefit from the discovery.

Of course these are the simple facts, and they can be elaborated upon if someone so decides.

Edited by toyomotor - 15 Mar 2018 at 04:49
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