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http://911blogger.com/news/2010-07-13/911-experiments-mysterious-eutectic-steel

9/11 Experiments: The Mysterious "eutectic steel"

Not your go-to imbecile but maybe just maybe makes sense. Its a ten minute viddy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYW-z7nrTZk

14 minutes cut /molten steel

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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

There are conspiracies, I find what Seymour Hersch says to be plausible, but I don't know why you say Bin Laden was dead years before the raid. I think what Savage is saying gets him a lot of mileage on his talk show, but really he doesn't know any better (or worse) than most people.


This is right at the top of Hersh's article..I thought he would get back into it maybe in another article, he seems to doubt that Bin Laden would be in Abbottabad;

"It’s been four years since a group of US Navy Seals assassinated Osama bin Laden in a night raid on a high-walled compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan. The killing was the high point of Obama’s first term, and a major factor in his re-election. The White House still maintains that the mission was an all-American affair, and that the senior generals of Pakistan’s army and Inter-Services Intelligence agency (ISI) were not told of the raid in advance. This is false, as are many other elements of the Obama administration’s account. The White House’s story might have been written by Lewis Carroll: would bin Laden, target of a massive international manhunt, really decide that a resort town forty miles from Islamabad would be the safest place to live and command al-Qaida’s operations? He was hiding in the open. So America said."
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2007/02/part_of_the_conspiracy.html

This is the BBC official response to assertion that they announced the collapse of WTC 7 early.

Also has a link to "The Conspiracy Files"

Your going to read a denial and I think it would be fair to read the comments after the article.
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I didn't look at conspiracy files, I stopped reading the comments about around#24.
I saw somewhere else that they found the film, it had been put on the wrong shelf, 2002 instead of 2001.

If you had looked at Myles Power's videos, particularly 4 and 5, you would have seen that one side of the 
building 7 looked fine, but the other side (from falling debris) was on fire, and the fire department had pulled out, and they were waiting for it to collapse.  Reporters are not that smart, yes if she turned around she could have seen the building (or rather, the good side).  But there are a lot of buildings in New York and I would imagine that she couldn't tell one from another.  The anchor also reported it collapsed, but I imagine that he's just turning a "going to collapse" statement, maybe made hours before, into an "already collapsed" statement.  in the chaos of the event, reports get garbled, I find that infinitely more plausible than the claim that they had some kind secret knowledge, and let it slip.

But maybe I just have an active imagination.

There is a 59 minute video of Michael Shermer of sceptic magazine, responding to phone calls from callers regarding 9/11.
I found a photographer Sonnenfeld in Argentina who makes a big deal about the photage he took as a government photographer.  He makes big deal about how the US wants to extradite him, and "they" do. _he_ is wanted for murdering his first wife in Colorado.  But of course if he can make a big deal about being persecuted for 'knowing secrets,' people will protect him from facing a murder charge.  In other words, he has a hell of a motive for making a big deal of the conspiracy.


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Ok you're right I will look at all Myles Powers, just seemed like a hit piece.

But LOL I've seen that building fall from every angle...I will look at Shermer he is a smart guy. But what's happening now is that I dug in, you dug in and the evidence is only going to matter in an unguarded moment.

Someday, you may be gumming your food by then, but the documents will be declassified and then you'll know. Or I'll know.

Please don't go on thinking that I ascribe a visionary element to Dan Rather's reporting. I just happened to be watching CBS.

I agree about BBC I don't think reporter knew a thing she was working for CNN. Pretty JV for BBC to lose the video tho.

Yes a cottage industry has sprung forth from conspiracy theories.

The experiments with thermite sulphate are valid, 9/11 commission report is foul. Many buildings were slammed with more debris than WC#7.

In a number of buildings all that was left standing was the steel frame and the concrete base. Also those buildings lost concrete in chunks not in pulverized dust form.

So you look at #7 see a few fires and then you see the building come down. There is no explanation. No scientific explanation in the Commission Report.

We can fish airplanes out of the sea and recreate the malfunction that caused a crash. But no explanation, no experimentation from NIST on #7.
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

Did I say the US wasn't involved? Whenever NATO is involved the US is the backbone of it, or at least a major player. I think you just want to ride me:P <grin>

Well you can tell the Obama administration that all quotes should be told in parables, but they don't listen to anyone else, so I don't think they'll listen to you.

You might look up "Diogenes" in _The Lives of Eminent Philosophers_ by Diogenes Laertius (the author is a different Diogenes). You can find it on Perseus.tufts.edu. It's a fun read.



Yes, it was a good read. Thanks. Are you highlighting the opposing views on Pythagoras from the various authors who had access to his attributed writings?

Are you comparing them to the opposing views in this conspiracy vs official record of contemporary political events?
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Power explains that the Commission Report's failure to address building 7.

I am sure that some people think I'm fairly out there on the topic of Pythagoras.  They probably think I am missing some things, and I probably am, but that is why I have continued researching, to fill in the gaps and repair the errors.  I have not really, in my own mind, concluded.  In fact, part of my attitude is, "this is the picture I see, what am I missing?"  I am amazed at the implications of what (I think) I have discovered, but ultimately I wonder if I am missing something.  One problem is that I doubt anyone has the background both in philosophy and numismatics.

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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

Power explains that the Commission Report's failure to address building 7.

I am sure that some people think I'm fairly out there on the topic of Pythagoras.  They probably think I am missing some things, and I probably am, but that is why I have continued researching, to fill in the gaps and repair the errors.  I have not really, in my own mind, concluded.  In fact, part of my attitude is, "this is the picture I see, what am I missing?"  <span style="line-height: 1.4;">I am amazed at the implications of what (I think) I have discovered, but ultimately I wonder if I am missing something.  One problem is that I doubt anyone has the background both in philosophy and numismatics.</span>



Powers does not explain the collapse of WTC#7 that is a misleading statement. He says the building looked fine from one view but terrible on the opposite side.

He then shows you a still picture of the building being engulfed by the pulverized dust and debris from the collapse of the first Towers that were demolished. He does not explain how fires melted steel in #7, actual scientist and engineers, architects have stated that that World Trade Center fires did not reach temperatures hot enough to bend steel.
The fact that the top corner collapsed first in no way proves that demo charges were not used.

Even as the penthouse corner collapsed it does not explain why the center steel core, still standing at other sites, collapsed on #7.
The computer model was created because the 911 Commission (not charged with investigating right?) and physics don't agree, that's why its not in the report. They did investigate, the conclusions didn't match the theory so they left it out of the report. What is the source of that computer model?   

He simply says NIST did not investigate it because it wasn't a "target." He goes on to say that The 911 Commission didn't investigate the collapse because that wasn't their job. Glad he let up on the Newlywed Game music.

Shermer is even less convincing "too many moving parts?"

I don't want to convince you, I looked at the videos that you suggested. They were insulting to the dead and to the living. Yes to disagree is one thing to mock the views of those who have the audacity to question our government is not easy to stomach.

The conference in Toronto addresses everything in Power's videos and more. Shermer is making a psychological argument. Well, Freud falsified nearly 50 case studies, yet psychoanalysis was and is considered real psychiatry. Shermer's analysis means very little when addressing 9/11.


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I guess we will agree to disagree. . . .  

Sometimes, when you post several posts in a row, I only notice the latest one and respond to it.  Then, sometimes like now, I notice you have posted stuff that I haven't looked at.  I'll try to look at your steel stuff later, I don't feel like it right now.
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Either way, I'm afraid that America is now a dangerous place due to power-hungry bureaucrats a la Soviet style.
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Maybe this is the kind of thing that will click when you are ready to hear. That day may never come. Please don't feel forced to be convinced. Now that I recognize what I consider to be true, I simply can't ignore it.
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Originally posted by PeaceB PeaceB wrote:

Either way, I'm afraid that America is now a dangerous place due to power-hungry bureaucrats a la Soviet style.


I agree. It's like a cold war flash back. Politicians in Cabinet positions are comfortable in the knowledge that in America most of us going to ignore what seems to not affect us directly.
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It's nothing like the USSR in the Cold War, Solzynitzen (sp?) wrote a play called, "We Don't Make Mistakes," the title makes my blood run cold.  Under such accounting, Chernobyl was not a mistake, the dead zones in the former Soviet Union, are not mistakes, the millions of dead under Stalin (before WWII) were not mistakes.
Sometime I'll have to tell you my Chernobyl story.
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

It's nothing like the USSR in the Cold War, Solzynitzen (sp?) wrote a play called, "We Don't Make Mistakes," the title makes my blood run cold.  Under such accounting, Chernobyl was not a mistake, the dead zones in the former Soviet Union, are not mistakes, the millions of dead under Stalin (before WWII) were not mistakes.
Sometime I'll have to tell you my Chernobyl story.


I'm sorry maybe you should tell the Chernobyl story. I thought we were talking about the US during the cold war not USSR side. Maybe I'm misunderstanding Peace B. Please elaborate on USSR.

This administration certainly does not admit mistakes. Nor does it shrink from lying, secrecy, abuses executive privilege and abuses humanity with mad science experiments in the form of vaccines. This is LBJ, Nixon.

There are descriptions of the methods used to control the masses in some of JFK's speeches. I think I'll dig some up.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVHstSrC1CQ

Christopher Bollyn -journalist- exhaustive analysis and investigation of 9/11 and MOSAD connection.
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I admire the effort that the guy with the eutectic steel video, but I am not convinced that what he did in his backyard replicates what happened with WTC 7.  An I-beam which is part of a building has weight and therefore, stress on it.  I am about saturated right now on 9/11 stuff.

I told you the stories of when I have had contact with people in the CIA, two recruiting presentations at college, and a family financial advisor who long after we knew him, we were told by our current advisor that he had been on the CIA payroll.  It is not much, but I know what it is, I don't know who Bollyn is, or what his credentials or motives are.  

When 9/11 happened, I went to the coffeehouse and hung out with the people there, there was a former NY cabdriver who was furious, and there was the girl who wondered how they smuggled machine guns on, and so forth.  I believe a couple of muslim girls showed up in hegab, to discuss things, or maybe that was the next day.  I admire their gumption.  On 9/11 I didn't listen or watch the news, I hung out with people who, at various levels, were freaked out by the whole thing.  Some of us tried that evening to go to a late night Middle Eastern restaurant, but they were closed, that's okay, they were inside and I think that they knew that we had shown up in support of them.  But my point is that I never tried to find out what happened, I picked up a picture, an albeit incomplete picture as time went on.  

My Chernobyl story is more an anti-conspiracy story.  It is about US reaction to Chernobyl, not so much about Chernobyl itself, and frankly think that in its own way, its terrifying.
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http://breaking.cyber1news.com/news/clinton-confidant-spends-hours-testifying-on-benghazi

"says Clinton adviser Blumenthal 'merely a conduit' for Benghazi memos - New files show emails withheld from Benghazi panel - VIDEO: Blumenthal supplies new ammunition to Hillary's enemies
FOX NEWS (Today) -
Jeb Bush slams Hillary's 'complete failure' in NH - VIDEO: Jeb Bush on why he's running - OPINION: America needs stronger leadership than Hillary's hashtag diplomacy - Sanders polling 10 points behind Clinton in NH 'UNVETTED' INTEL? Gowdy: Aide didn't write Libya memos sent to Clinton
Axelrod: I Didn’t Know About Hillary’s Private Server and Would Have Asked Questions If I Did"

http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/16/hillary-charged-kids-charity-200000-for-speech/

Mrs. Clinton shows her great compassion by charging The Boys and Girls Club of America $200,000 dollars to speak.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/16/hillary-clinton-sidney-blumenthal-benghazi

Blumenthal provides an additional 60 emails to behind closed door congressional panel. Don't expect any reveals from this government there are simply supplying fodder to encourage the belief that an actual judgment will formally reveal malfeasance by Hillaroid and Co.
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Originally posted by franciscosan= franciscosan= wrote:

I told you the stories of when I have had contact with people in the CIA, two recruiting presentations at college, and a family financial advisor who long after we knew him, we were told by our current advisor that he had been on the CIA payroll. It is not much, but I know what it is, I don't know who Bollyn is, or what his credentials or motives are.


"Bollyn is an expert on Middle East affairs, Zionism and American foreign policy, dedicating much of his time to unraveling the mysteries surrounding 9/11 and the central role of Israel’s intelligence services in orchestrating the attacks. "
Not a financial guy, does that disqualify him? How can you prove the motives of anyone without an investigation?

http://www.intifada-palestine.com/2014/09/brandon-martinez-interview-christopher-bollyn/

Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

I admire the effort that the guy with the eutectic steel video, but I am not convinced that what he did in his backyard replicates what happened with WTC 7. An I-beam which is part of a building has weight and therefore, stress on it. I am about saturated right now on 9/11 stuff.


Do you know why it is said that fire did not cause the collapse?

"It is known that structural steel begins to soften around 425°C and loses about half of its strength at 650°C.4 This is why steel is stress relieved in this temperature range. But even a 50% loss of strength is still insufficient, by itself, to explain the WTC collapse. It was noted above that the wind load controlled the design allowables. The WTC, on this low-wind day, was likely not stressed more than a third of the design allowable, which is roughly one-fifth of the yield strength of the steel. Even with its strength halved, the steel could still support two to three times the stresses imposed by a 650°C fire. "

http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/jom/0112/eagar/eagar-0112.html

Do you know why steel supports looked like swiss cheese and fires burned for weeks in the wreckage? No need to respond, please don't feel pressured.

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Benghazi panel probes Sidney Blumenthal’s work for David Brock
By Kenneth P. Vogel and Rachael Bade

6/17/15 6:12 PM EDT
Updated 6/18/15 6:56 AM EDT
"While still secretary of state, Clinton emailed back and forth with Blumenthal about efforts by one of the groups, Media Matters, to neutralize criticism of her handling of the deadly assault on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya, sources tell POLITICO.

“Got all this done. Complete refutation on Libya smear,” Blumenthal wrote to Clinton in an Oct. 10, 2012, email into which he had pasted links to four Media Matters posts criticizing Fox News and Republicans for politicizing the Benghazi attacks and challenging claims of lax security around the U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi, according to a source who has reviewed the email exchange. Blumenthal signed off the email to Clinton by suggesting that one of her top aides, Philippe Reines, “can circulate these links,” according to the source."



http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/benghazi-panel-sidney-blumenthals-david-brock-119130.html
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ANDREW NAPOLITANO: More to Benghazi than officials want to divulge What if President Obama secretly agreed with others in the government in 2011 to provide arms to rebels in Libya and Syria? What if the scheme called for American arms merchants to sell serious American military hardware to the government of Qatar, which would and did transfer it to rebel groups? http://license.icopyright.net/rights/postFullArticle.act?inprocess=t&tag=3.7280%3Ficx_id%3D%2Fnews%2F2015%2Fjun%2F17%2Fandrew-napolitano-more-to-benghazi-than-officials-%2F&urs=WEBPAGE&urt=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtontimes.com%2Fnews%2F2015%2Fjun%2F17%2Fandrew-napolitano-more-to-benghazi-than-officials-%2F
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Looking at Bollyn's website, he seems to me like a vicious little man.  I looked at what he said about John McCain (who is a bit of a hero to me), and I have pretty much decided that if Bollyn says it, the opposite must be true.  (Actually, the term "truth" is something I reserve for something more rarified and enlightened, but I am sure you get the point.)

I don't know how much you know about McCain, but McCain was tortured after being shot down and captured in North Vietnam.  He could have been released at any time he wanted, because he was an Admiral's son, and the North Vietnamese wanted to use him for propaganda purposes.  But he wouldn't do it and therefore was tortured, which is why, when you see him, he can't lift his arms over his head.

McCain has an adopted daughter, who is from Bangladesh.  His current wife, (McCain considers the failure of his first marriage to be the greatest failure in his life, and owns up to it as his fault), went to Bangladesh and visited an orphanage.  There, she meet two girls who were girls (in a male dominated society), mentally 'slow,' and were quite beyond the usually adoption age, and she realized that they were never going to have a chance in life.  She then adopted one and arranged with family friends to adopt the other.  She called up John, and _informed_ him that she was coming home with his daughter.  He is a good soldier and can take orders, but more so, he loves his Bangladeshi daughter dearly.

In the year 2000, McCain had won the New Hampshire primary and was ahead for the Republican nomination, George W. Bush had to find a way to beat him, and his campaign spread a rumor in South Carolina (or is it North, I forget), that he had had a daughter from an illicit affair with a black servant, and adopted her.  And, of course, they could point to family pictures and say, "see! that girl is black! (the Bangledeshi girl).  It was especially hurtful, because again she is a little mentally 'slow' and doesn't understand how someone could do that, for crass political reasons.  But doing that, made it so George W. won South Carolina, and eventually, the Republican nomination and the Presidency.  So basically, McCain lost South Carolina because of racism towards him and his family.

The fact that racism was used against him and his family, affected the way he responded to Barack Obama in the 2008 election.  Specifically, he did not want to use Obama's participation in the black community through his church (Reverend Wright) and through his community activism (Acorn), against Obama, because he believed that it would be using Obama's race against him, and McCain knew what that was like, having had George W. Bush use McCain's daughter's race against him.  He fought Palin and the Republican establishment over this, and except for some state Republican parties the negative campaign commercials really didn't deal with these issues, and of course, since Obama didn't have much of a record anyways, they couldn't deal with that either.  And last of all, the press, being in love with Barack Obama, wouldn't deal with serious considerations either.  I think the joke paper, the Onion, summed it up beautifully, when they said that Obama in an article in Time was being asked "the hardest questions concerning underwear," asked so far.

It is especially unfair that Whoopi Goldberg called McCain a racist.  The irony is that if McCain was racist, he probably could have won the election.  I wish America would look at the Obama presidency and ask whether they elected him because of "the content of his character," or "the color of his skin."  I suspect that many people, due to white guilt, bent over backwards to show that they weren't racist, which itself is racist.  That being said, it wasn't the end of the world that Barack Obama was elected, despite what some shrill opponents pretend.  Obama, however, broke several promises in order to get elected, to do matching funds, to serve a full term in the Senate, McCain did not, specifically, do what he saw as going negative on race, there are certain things he wouldn't do for the election.  To me that shows that he has integrity, but also that Obama's election would not be, "oh woe is me! gnashing of teeth and beating of breasts," the end of the world.    


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Well I don't agree with your take on Bollyn.

However I do respect McCain and would have voted for him if had gotten the nomination for POTUS. I sincerely apologize it was not my intention to deride McCain.
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No, you didn't deride McCain, but it is something I know something about, and so when Bollyn talks about McCain, I can make an informed judgment of how credible Bollyn is on that issue and thus on other issues.  Of course, McCain did get the 2008 Republican nomination (after having lost it to GW Bush in 2000), but when he ran in 2008, he promised that if elected he would only be a one term President.  That was at least partially due to concerns about his age.  He would have been older than Reagan was, when Reagan was elected, but younger than Reagan when Reagan left office.  So it was pretty clear that he would not run in 2012.  However, his mother is (last time I payed attention) alive, and so longevity probably runs in the family, so he probably would have been fine for a single term.

If Bollyn shoots his mouth off about something I know about, and does not treat it fairly, then likewise I am sceptical about whether he will be fair (or instead, sensational and manipulative) about other issues.  But I am not comfortable on Bollyn's Anti-Zionism, bordering on Anti-Semitism (and that is being charitable to Bollyn), I am not a fan of Zionism, but I have a great respect for Judaism.  Not all Jews are Zionist, in fact many Orthodox Jews are not Zionists.  For Orthodox Judaism, the Messiah is supposed to come first, and then he will lead the Jews to the founding of Israel.  The current Israel for them is kind of like a pretender, and Orthodox Jews are highly ambivalent towards it, including many of those who live there.
I think it would be smart for the world in general and the Islamic world in particular to support the Jewish diaspora community (Jews other places than Israel), it would make it so that not all of Judaism's eggs are in one basket.  Right now, there is a strong sense of persecution amongst the Jews, and in many places, rightfully so.  If the Moraccan, Cairo, or Tehran community could be revitalized, well the pressure would be off the mess surrounding Israel, Gaza and the West Bank.  Maybe something could actually be done.
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There are conspiracies, but I tend to not believe in any overarching conspiracy.
There was one time, when I kind of felt that it would be a good thing for there to be an overarching world conspiracy, because then at least _someone_ would be in control.
In 1986 I was at Whitman College in Walla Walla Washington, a farm town, about an hour away from the Tricities.  I was a Freshman in Anderson Hall, section E.  Section E tended to eat together, most of the E section gang later joined the fraternity TKE.  One lunch, when we were eating together, Neal was called aside by someone and went off to talk to them.  Later we found out that they had asked him if he spoke Russian, which he did, and if he could understand technical (scientific) Russian which he said he could not.  That night we heard about the Chernobyl disaster in the news.
In the Tricities was the Hanford Nuclear Reservation, they and I am sure many other government facilities were getting the broadcasts(?), transcripts(?) of openly broadcast radio transmission out of the Soviet Union.  These were from helicopters dropping fire retardants on the open, burning reactor core giving off massive clouds of radioactive smoke and steam.  I understand that radiation sickness is a pretty bad was to go, and these pilots were in the midst of the cloud, broadcasting live.  Problem is though that the Soviet Union had more teachers of English than we had students of Russian, and we needed Russian speakers to translate the broadcasts so that physicists and other experts could figure out what was going on.  And so they asked a yuppie Freshman from Palo Alto if he could, by any chance, translate what exactly the hell was going on at Chernobyl.  they must have been desperate.  Now if there is a world wide conspiracy, I wonder why they couldn't of handle things without the help of people like Neal.  I also wonder what his price could have been if he had said, "yes."  What is exactly worth if the NSA/CIA/US government owes you a favor?  
Of course, if he could have handled it linguistically, he probably would work 20 hour shifts for at least the first few days.  btw, I haven't given Neal's last name, but I have given enough information so that if someone really wanted to, they could check out whether such a person existed.  So if it burns within your soul to find out, look it up in that year's lookbook.   Otherwise, give the guy some privacy.  It's a little story, but to me it really says that the human race is often walking the tight rope without a net.


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The Tricities Hanford Nuclear Reservation couldn't be the overarching conspiracy. But they may believe one to exist; why else pull students aside for a quid pro quo? Hmm? Hmm?
Great story you have to tell.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote franciscosan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Jul 2015 at 06:21
Actually, it was probably Batelle Northwest laboratories where all the scientists were (at the complex).

Remember Solzenytzen's play, "We Don't Make Mistakes."  That meant that for the Soviets, Chernobyll wasn't a mistake, it was just a fact.  Oh, maybe it was a "personal" mistake of someone.  But the great Soviet Empire doesn't make mistakes and so poor design and training (in their view) were inconsequential factors.

There are dead zones in the Soviet Union, where some industrial accident happened.  Of course, we have had industrial accidents too, but not on the same scale, the same intensity.
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