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    Posted: 12 Jun 2013 at 13:10

It seems that we are able to have a paramount view of history mostly based on routes:

 

 1.The first wave of civilizations

Sumerian, Akkadian, Egyptian, Chinese,...

Mostly Isolated but not as seems in the first glance.

 

2. The second wave of Civilization The attack from Northern part.

 

After the first violations, gradually routes and the relations among civilizations grows faster than before.

Finally, a new blood in the vessel of civilization.

 

3.The silk road era

 

From 200, 300 hundred years before the Christ to the time of renaissance.

The silk road civilizations from China, India, Persia, Anatoly, Italy... .

They were all the times under raids of nomads, they touched new era, but never passed it.

They are somehow cyclic.Big Religions, Philosophies,....

 

4.Sea Routes

Spain, Portugal, France, Britain,....

The new era. New type of thinking.Coming to the center the idea of freedom and liberty, that

is useful for merchants specially for people who are able to be in secure by navigation in the sea.

New type of philosophies.

The big competition between silk road civilizations and sea routes civilizations starts from that time till now.(right now something which remains from nomadic time is going to be united to Sea routes civilizations against silk road civilizations.Nowadays, in middle east we can see such evidences.

 

5.Sea routes, air ways, webs

The conquered cultures turn to be stronger and the other cultures starts to absorb some elements of these cultures in different various degrees.

Liberalism grows more and more, but in the same time liberalism seems going  to be disappeared in some parts

 

What about the future?

 

6.Space routes ,virtual spaces

Could we will be in some spaces obeying totally different rules of physics as we see in matrix or similar fictions?

Could we travel in spaces as we travel now?

What will happen to the concept of human being.Could we transfer human beings by a cable?!

Could we join a society of human being in a larger mental structure?

From protein structure to the silicon structure?...

Is reality hidden?
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In the Americas, there also were well defined routes that connected civilizations.
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Originally posted by farzad didehvar h farzad didehvar h wrote:

It seems that we are able to have a paramount view of history mostly based on routes:

 

 1.The first wave of civilizations

Sumerian, Akkadian, Egyptian, Chinese,...

Mostly Isolated but not as seems in the first glance.

More likely typical human societies were never truly isolated, though there may have been some exceptions from time to time. the "civilized" were probably the least isolated and most "connected". Why I think so?

Distances on earth are not that great, and many of the most famous ancient civilzations were rather close even by earthly standards. Even when people had to walk there could have been some important contacts.

 

Originally posted by farzad didehvar h farzad didehvar h wrote:


What about the future?

 

6.Space routes ,virtual spaces

Could we will be in some spaces obeying totally different rules of physics as we see in matrix or similar fictions?

Could we travel in spaces as we travel now?

What will happen to the concept of human being.Could we transfer human beings by a cable?!

Could we join a society of human being in a larger mental structure?

From protein structure to the silicon structure?...

Or we may be near the "final " stage of communication?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote fusong Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jun 2013 at 15:37
Originally posted by fantasus fantasus wrote:

Originally posted by farzad didehvar h farzad didehvar h wrote:

It seems that we are able to have a paramount view of history mostly based on routes:

 

 1.The first wave of civilizations

Sumerian, Akkadian, Egyptian, Chinese,...

Mostly Isolated but not as seems in the first glance.

More likely typical human societies were never truly isolated, though there may have been some exceptions from time to time. the "civilized" were probably the least isolated and most "connected". Why I think so?

Distances on earth are not that great, and many of the most famous ancient civilzations were rather close even by earthly standards. Even when people had to walk there could have been some important contacts.

 

Originally posted by farzad didehvar h farzad didehvar h wrote:


What about the future?

 

6.Space routes ,virtual spaces

Could we will be in some spaces obeying totally different rules of physics as we see in matrix or similar fictions?

Could we travel in spaces as we travel now?

What will happen to the concept of human being.Could we transfer human beings by a cable?!

Could we join a society of human being in a larger mental structure?

From protein structure to the silicon structure?...

Or we may be near the "final " stage of communication?


It seems that in the 18th century however that historians liked to put the view forward that some ancient  civilizations had for the most part developed in isolation and that communication was the exception. That obviously isnt true
Every ideology has a kernel of truth and sea of whitewash.
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Originally posted by fusong fusong wrote:

 

It seems that in the 18th century however that historians liked to put the view forward that some ancient  civilizations had for the most part developed in isolation and that communication was the exception. That obviously isnt true
Even paleolitic people could regularly walk (or use some kind of boat) some hundred kilometres,if they had the motivation. Some parts of later farming populations may have seen less of the planet, since if people work at the same fields all life they may never move far from them.
Civilizations emerged early at the river banks. One reason was probably that rivers offered better ways of travel and communication in addition to ferile land and water.
 Any to locations on planet earths surface are not much more distant than 20.000 kilometres. If we say a well trained adult person can move about 20 kilometres per day it is abouit 1000 days walk (of course not the "real" distance to walk - that may have been 10 times as long when and were it existed).
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1. There are some ambiguities about the first level, I agree, and I should work more on that.
any how the affection of a civilization to the another one was not as huge as what happened later on, except the subject of alphabet.Thank you and any other good suggestion?

2.I think sea routes vs silk road give us more explanation bout some new events, except we should consider something like "Extended silk road civilization"(and possibly "Extended sea routes civilizations".)
Although this point of view is only one from some other points of views, but I think it is able to
explain sufficiently large amount of events.

3. What about the part 6?I am interested to know your idea.
Personally I guess to have more facilities we should rush to this level, specially "Extended silk road civilizations" since their net seems more vulnerable respect to their rival, when we reach
to this level, probably the competition of these two nets will be changed totally, and we will going to some type of cooperation and finally this historical challenge(so many times bloody) will reach to its own end-point.Possibly much more better world and possibly a world with no border.
Specially, if we put aside fuels like oil, and we enter to a new modern agricultural civilization,
by applying the new form of energies.
Seemingly we will go to a more peaceful world , but the problem is "when?"any how, unfortunately
that time is not exactly, "Now".
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