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    Posted: 02 Aug 2012 at 17:55
Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Well, Chinese invented quite a lot of practical things, and certainly we should be thankful of them. However, they lagged behind in mathematics and physics, in comparison to the classical world, and even to the late Middle Ages times, no matter the attempt of some scholars (who don't know those topics) to make Chinese smarter than the rest.
 
Still they were ahead of the west when concerns many really important inventions. And even if they perhaps have not as extensive literature in physics as the west they were still ahead in using physics for practical matters. And in fields like medicine the chinese were far superior, at least in medieval times. 
 
We must not forget that we often tend to underestimate the amount of chinese literature in different subjects since western schoolars seldom are fluent in chinese and do not always know where to look for such literature.


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Well, Chinese invented quite a lot of practical things, and certainly we should be thankful of them. However, they lagged behind in mathematics and physics, in comparison to the classical world, and even to the late Middle Ages times, no matter the attempt of some scholars (who don't know those topics) to make Chinese smarter than the rest.
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Originally posted by whalebreath whalebreath wrote:

Originally posted by Sarmat Sarmat wrote:

Originally posted by pikeshot1600 pikeshot1600 wrote:


When the USSR was trying to puff itself up and exert "new power" after WW II, they claimed to have invented everything first. 
 
What??? Confused
 
 

Quite true-famous old commie propaganda-good for a laugh-back in the day that line of Bee Ess went on for decades.
 
Yes, I am old enough to remember it as well.  You name it, they invented it.
 
That's one prob the Chinese don't have as they really did, having invented a whole load of sheet long ago.  I think they can even claim the first attempt at rocket powered space flight (unsuccessful Cry).
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Hi...,

Coins can give the various information about the past time, like the emperors of that time, in which period it has made, and the trades with different countries. so for this purposes coins have more value.
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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

Before embarking on a voyage to Great Zimbabwe, this note of caution is required:
 
Well I don't claim any academic qualification on this subject but I have lived and worked among the people of that area, some time ago mind you.
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Originally posted by Umvhu Umvhu wrote:

 
A contributor to a previous manifestation of this site wrote an article about Great Zimbabwe, the writers username is Decebal, I'd like to private message him if he is willing
I appreciate your concern for proper usage, but Decebal hasn't been around for about three years, so he probably won't respond to your request. I'd suggest you PM him anyway (it is after all private) and hope he answers.
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Before embarking on a voyage to Great Zimbabwe, this note of caution is required:
 
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On the issue of ancient Chinese trade with Africa.
 
At Great Zimbabwe Ruins a large number of artefacts have been found of Chinese origin, it is commonly believed these were brought by Arab traders. And if memory serves correct porcelain has been found in China with images of giraffes who's marking are unique to the central Zimbabwe area.
 
A contributor to a previous manifestation of this site wrote an article about Great Zimbabwe, the writers username is Decebal, I'd like to private message him if he is willing
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Look here and see the fool!
 


I see. You already looked at the mirror, and now you grasp the truth Wink
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If you are trying to kill me with laughter, Pingui old boy, you are succeeding splendidly as well as providing ample evidence that you are reading far beyond your capacity to comprehend! ROTFLMAO do you even know what is meant by Austronesian!?!
 
As I said before give it a break...you are fast turning this forum into little more than an outlet for the off-the-wall tinged with rather unsavory undertones.
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Austronesians in Africa at ancient times.

Austronesian genetic signature in East African Madagascar and Polynesia

M Regueiro, S Mirabal, H Lacau, J L Caeiro, R L Garcia-Bertrand and R J Herrera

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The dispersal of the Austronesian language family from Southeast Asia represents the last major diaspora leading to the peopling of Oceania to the East and the Indian Ocean to the West. Several theories have been proposed to explain the current locations, and the linguistic and cultural diversity of Austronesian populations. However, the existing data do not support unequivocally any given migrational scenario. In the current study, the genetic profile of 15 autosomal STR loci is reported for the first time for two populations from opposite poles of the Austronesian range, Madagascar at the West and Tonga to the East. These collections are also compared to geographically targeted reference populations of Austronesian descent in order to investigate their current relationships and potential source population(s) within Southeast Asia. Our results indicate that while Madagascar derives 66.3% of its genetic makeup from Africa, a clear connection between the East African island and Southeast Asia can be discerned. The data suggest that although geographic location has influenced the phylogenetic relationships between Austronesian populations, a genetic connection that binds them beyond geographical divides is apparent.



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Historical evidence? What next the Chinese invented photography in the 14th century...Give it a rest there is little else left to discredit.
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Ah...a comment from the Peanut Gallery of Deedyville! Next we will await the impersonation of Clarabelle.
 
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Originally posted by whalebreath whalebreath wrote:


Why some people here feel the need to personalise disputes is beyond me-in the end it's all just tiny points of light on a computer screen nothing more.


Cosign. Some people here like it that way LOL
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Originally posted by whalebreath whalebreath wrote:

Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

Yes, Whalebreath there is no novelty here blah, blah, blah, blah, onto infinity.....
 From your own link:


Please Note-the proper term is 'from the link as posted' it's not my link anymore than it's my Forum I'm merely a participant passing along information.

Why some people here feel the need to personalise disputes is beyond me-in the end it's all just tiny points of light on a computer screen nothing more.
 
 
ROTFLMAO! Physician heal thyself because if you do not grasp how ridiculous your purported umbrage really is just leave it as written so that others may have a good chuckle.
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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

Yes, Whalebreath there is no novelty here blah, blah, blah, blah, onto infinity.....
 From your own link:


Please Note-the proper term is 'from the link as posted' it's not my link anymore than it's my Forum I'm merely a participant passing along information.

Why some people here feel the need to personalise disputes is beyond me-in the end it's all just tiny points of light on a computer screen nothing more.
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Yes, Whalebreath there is no novelty here but such is totally irrelevant to the points Carch purports that deals specifically with the Ming in the 15th century.
 
From your own link:
 
Technological advances in shipbuilding and navigation led to the opening of new sea-lanes to Southeast Asia, Malacca, the Indian Ocean and the Persian Gulf. Guangzhou became the first great harbour in China around the time of the Tang and Song Dynasties, although it was later substituted by Quanzhou in the Yuan Dynasty (1271-1368) as the most important trade port.

The governments of the Ming and Qing Dynasties however issued a ban on maritime trade, contributing to a massive decline in its use.

No one disputed the existence of sea commerce and established "lanes" for centuries (or millennia); instead, what became the bone of contention were the implications raised by the term "Chinese" as well as the assertion of organized perseverance.
 
However, such does not mean that your link itself is not free from ethnic insouciance specially with regard to shipwrecks off of the South China Sea coasts. But that's another topic entirely.

 
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Aw....how idyllic the shark and the penguin "swimming" together...
 
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Originally posted by gcle2003 gcle2003 wrote:

And there was I thinkinig it was going to be a recording of the show...Cry


This is more on topic. Watch it. You may learn something.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-11531398




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Sometimes you just seem to argue for the cause of arguing. ...


I wouldn't say "sometimes", but ""Always" LOL
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And there was I thinkinig it was going to be a recording of the show...Cry
 
 


Edited by gcle2003 - 18 Dec 2010 at 04:48
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I am not arguing it is you who continues to smother with truly meaningless interjections without even posting any credible research that asserts proof! Now go look that up in your Funk & Wagnall's...then try to "sock it to me"...until then I'll bet my sweet bippie that the result will be but the usual froth dressing up a latte and calling it coffee!
 
Until then thank you for the early morning (CST) Laugh-In...
 
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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

Parapsychology was once an object of research and a waste of public money...today it is limited to the purse strings of rich fools and avid flim-flam artists (although you can certainly make money from it by going "Hollywood"). Any discussion requires substance and all you have proven by these persistent cavils, Carch, is its marked dearth in the proposition of Chinese trade with Africa in the 15th century. 
 
Sometimes you just seem to argue for the cause of arguing. Since you have not conducted any research about these things it is better you abstain from meaningless interjections.
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Parapsychology was once an object of research and a waste of public money...today it is limited to the purse strings of rich fools and avid flim-flam artists (although you can certainly make money from it by going "Hollywood"). Any discussion requires substance and all you have proven by these persistent cavils, Carch, is its marked dearth in the proposition of Chinese trade with Africa in the 15th century. 
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Originally posted by gcle2003 gcle2003 wrote:

Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

Interesting...the Swahili coast is really Chinese. Not! The Lamu Islands have a history all of their own and Pate itself is part of that archipelago.
 
So what? That do not exclude some contact.
That you cannot prove something didn't exist is not evidence that it did.
 
Now and then contacts have existed between China (or chinese travellers) and the East African coast, both archaeological evidence and written accounts show that. But how important such contacts were, how long they lasted and the exact nature of them can always be discussed. They are also subject to research.
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