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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

I guess I must restrain my figuratives in English and refrain from the metaphorical when communicating to non-English speakers. An instant in time could be but a day or an entire century if one wishes to take a historical perspective that might encompass the thousands (or the millions if we start with Lucy!), but if we are to draw upon the required "literate" consideration we are still discussing the thousands of years. Given that I was not speculating scientifically such as Planck Time nor musing on the infinite divisibility of Time per Aristotle (Physics), but nevertheless still within the ambit of periodization as concerns History and its coherent intervals, I can still refer to the "Dark Ages" as but an instant in historical time. Future recommendation: stop parsing my every word for meaning!


Don't tell me, doc, you still have problems with math. LOL

Please, don't confuse a point with a small segment. Points have zero dimensions. You will really enter in a logical loop if you don't remember that.

I would recomend you the lecture of Cantor on infinite set theory. Cantor, as you know, was one of the more brilliant mathematicians of the VICTORIAN times (that greedy age), no matter he expended most his life in a house of fools.


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Penguin, are you truly that dim-witted or specious not to grasp the true points being made!?! Placing aside the resurgence of your ill-timed return of attacking the poster rather than the subject, just keep in mind that I am not about to embark at Wellington College Station to undertake a visit to your residence at Broadmoor Criminal Lunatic Asylum!
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Stop your childish tantrums, doc.
I just found funny you entered in problems with science, once again.

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Get thee back to Berlitz to sharpen your English comprehension and gain an undestanding of the term not!
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Yes, my english is bad. I accept it. But it is good enough to get you can't write without yours snobish style. Come on, doc. Today we live in a democratic world. It is not the time when people venerated university professors; not anymore.



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Originally posted by Seko Seko wrote:

True! A  proper example for this discussion. 
I'm unsure what it is being presented as an example of. Oversimplification? Prejudice? Freudian antagonisms? Political propagandising?
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Originally posted by gcle2003 gcle2003 wrote:

Originally posted by Seko Seko wrote:

True! A  proper example for this discussion. 
I'm unsure what it is being presented as an example of. Oversimplification? Prejudice? Freudian antagonisms? Political propagandising?
 
All of them when you get right down to the nitty-gritty, Graham.
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Yes, my english is bad. I accept it. But it is good enough to get you can't write without yours snobish style. Come on, doc. Today we live in a democratic world. It is not the time when people venerated university professors; not anymore.
 
We do? Live in a "democratic world" that is. Thank you for giving another example of the absurd where abstractions are postulated as reality. As for this so-called veneration, just what planet are you inhabiting, Penguin? What you've uttered is little more than the expected carping typical of "Mass Man", who diguises his inability to engage in dialogue by satirizing the literate. Frankly, no matter how much I attempt to "dumb-down", I could not plummet to the depths you inhabit.
 
One conclusion is inevitable however...you have once again mounted the Derail Express for the sake of your ridiculous pretensions.


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Ortega Y Gasset, once again, Doctor? Why on earth do you believe I put you in a pedestal? Forget it, man. You have no idea about mathematics, physics and technology, so your world is a little bit limited from my point of view. I respect your knowledge of history, true. But so far I don't have the same respect for the way you troll in this forum.

If we are going to talk about "Comparative history", let get to the topic with a couple of examples, please.

What we are going to compare? Victorian Britain with the United States, perhaps? The development of the Mayans with Greece? Rome and China? The U.S.S.R against the U.S.A.?

You choose: we follow.

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Compare away but first properly define your methodological approach and the terms you've chosen as premises and assumptions.
 
By the way, Victorian Britain and the 19th century United States would be problematic in terms of the culturally comparative, or have you forgotten that Lincoln read his Trollope and that Memminger studied his John Stuart Mill. 
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Ok. Let's do the excersise. Let's focus in the development of technology, or history of inventions. Why? Because it is easy to follow. Inventions are concret things, that either work or not. If we would focus in the history of ideas, instead, we could end going round and round in circles.
Now, let's propose the methodological principles behind our research:

(1) Two societies that have the same gadget (invention) is because either:
(a) One received the invention to the other
(b) Both copied it to a third party.
(c) Both have the same conditions for the gadget to be invented.


Then, if we could compare, let's say, the inventions of ancient Han China with the inventions of the Greek-Roman world. The only way to do it, though, it is by studying invention by invention.

A good example for this debate could be the development of abacus. Not many people know that Romans had abacus. The question would be why both China and Romans developed it, how they did, and what conclusion could be get by founding out.





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I was tempted to write that you can of course compare a Chinese abacus to a Roman abacus, but had second thoughts because I don't know that there is enough within group similarity and little enough between group similarity to identify a Roman as opposed to a Chines one (or a Greek one or a later European one or an Indian one or a Korean one or whatever). But I don't see what that has to do with 'comparative history'.
 
But then I'm somewhat at a loss as to what the term means anyway.   
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@gcle2003,
Some definitions:

Comparative history
is the comparison of different societies which existed during the same time period or shared similar cultural conditions.

Comparison between different societies at a given time or sharing similar cultural conditions.

By the way, this is a Chinese abacus of the Ming dinasty


And this is a Roman abacus of Classical times:









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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

@gcle2003,
Some definitions:

Comparative history
is the comparison of different societies which existed during the same time period or shared similar cultural conditions.

Comparison between different societies at a given time or sharing similar cultural conditions.
 
Then why isn't it called comparative sociology? You can't have a history at a given time.
 
I can see where you could compare the history of trades unions in England with the history of trades unions in France, or the history of the Ford company with the history of General Motors.
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