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Conspiracy over the rise/enthronization of Romanov

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    Posted: 20 Dec 2020 at 18:29
The neighborhood of the Old English court and the Chambers of the Romanov Boyars on Varvarka street in Moscow is well known:
https://www.mos.ru/en/news/item/76951073/
https://bridgetomoscow.com/romanov-boyars-chambers

It is worth reminding that the Old English court was established in Russia at the time of Tsar Ivan the Terrible who belonged to the Rurik dynasty that ruled Russia for 750 years. In 30 years that followed the death of Ivan the Terrible in 1584 Russia had witnessed a big internal political crisis with a few changes of ruling dynasties which was exacerbated by the Polish intervention. It is only in 1613 that the first member of the Romanovs dynasty was elected by the Assembly to become a new Russian tsar:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_of_Russia

It is said that the Assembly considered a few candidates to whom it was going to propose the crown of Russia. The list of the candidates included the name of English/Scottish king James 1 and some other foreign kings. 

It is still unclear though what triggered the final decision of the Assembly. A later myth has been created that the decision appeared to be a surprise for Michael and his family. Some sources claim that the campaign for Michael Romanov was in fact lavishly bankrolled by certain political forces. But who was the main contributor of funding for that campaign remains unknown. Effectively, foreign political and trading parties competed with each other in Moscow over the influence on the deeply corrupted Assembly, which was run by the Russian nobility. In the following years after tsar Michael Romanov was elected the Russian-English trade flourished. 

The question is how important was the factor of the said neighborhood of the Romanovs' chambers and the Old English Court in Moscow, both of which sit alongside the same street just 100 meters apart from each other and 300 meters away from Kremlin. Does anybody know any English sources that cover the topic? Smile




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No I don't. This is the first I've heard of it. Fascinating in its own way, but as far as I can see, not important to British history. The reason I suspect was that interaction with Russia during the 16th-17th century was limited due to distance.
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Originally posted by caldrail caldrail wrote:

No I don't. This is the first I've heard of it. Fascinating in its own way, but as far as I can see, not important to British history. The reason I suspect was that interaction with Russia during the 16th-17th century was limited due to distance.

My personal view is that the factor of family connections was more important for enthronization of Michael Romanov Smile Michael was a son of Russian patriarch Filaret, the head of Russian Orthodox church. This may seem a little crazy because by common Church rules patriarchs take a vow of celibacy, but the thing about Filaret Romanov is that he was forced to take the monastic vow and join the Church ranks AFTER Michael was born.  

Church was viewed by many Russians as ultimate side in resolution of disputes, especially at the time of political crisis.
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Not really, seems to be that there was a lot of nepotism with Popes and bishops in the Catholic Church of the renaissance.  Oldest son inherited, middle son went into the military, and youngest son went into the church.  I have a friend who is Orthodox Christian, he says that he doesn't belong to an organized religion.  Of course, in appointing the top offices, they probably came from the aristocracy, not necessarily the clergy.  From being a prince of the aristocracy, to a prince of the church.  Think Machiavelli and "prince" here.  Of course, some princes are tyrants, and stepping down can be a problem for them, but if one sets up a dynasty, that solves things or at least kicks the can down the street, to worry about later.
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