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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jun 2011 at 00:43
Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

Your link does not work


You are really crazy, doc. I put the content of the link right in the post Confused


Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:


Were I of a "suspicious" nature I would conclude that your "playing on the links" was little more than a devious attempt to put forward a false erudition...and your nonsense over who is employing Wiki--as well as abusing it--has an air of the prima facia in support of the opening statement. Glittering generalities do not History make and preposterous assertions (as with the Polynesians reaching Hawaii by AD 500) do not further either reason or Scholarship.


Isn't this a stupid conclusion? I copied that text simply because it is easy to me to copy a source, check it and publish than write by myself in English! The contain of the text is widely spread knowledge. Anyone that has studied the origins of the Austronesian peoples, the origins of the Polynesians, and related topics, has found THE SAME things! Go to your library.

Your complains about the text, though, shows very clearly you have NO IDEA about the topic.
And, precisely, yours false erudiction is what in in play here, not mine.

Or do you believe I didn't notice you put the Chola and Tamils into play, just because you found them in wiki LOLLOL... Crazy doc, when you go, I have already go and return!


Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:


Contemporary archeology can not substantiate any dating of human habitation prior to AD 900 and even this last is highly dubious.


Ignorance. Current techniques have dated places ten of thousands of years ago. Please, check your archeology LOL


Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:


There are no reliable dates or population figures that substantiate a time frame earlier than that no matter what preposterous assertions you may come up with or just how many hours you might waste on abusing the Internet. So kindly control all of these mental masturbations and get a better grip on yourself. 


The only thing unreliable here is yours knowledge on the history of Asia, and the origins of the Austronesian speaking peoples.

And as you have shown during 10 pages, you are quite ignorant about "primitive" peoples.

I suggest you study, and do not comment topics you don't know. At least, without your accustumed arrogancy. Otherwise, you will be beaten.





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jun 2011 at 04:05
if your "link" works click on it and see what happens! Further no matter how much you slice and splice, your purported "expert" (as well as your link) is but a general outline on the Phillipines and your "widely spread knowledge" is not as you would have it even as underscored by your own "source". If there is any false erudition on display in this entire thread the Penguin tracks are irrefutable when it comes to the evidentiary.
 
Frankly, Penguin, anyone with long experience on this Forum knows you M.O. and how you perpetuate abuse through misapplication of even the jargon dotted landscape of certain disciplines in the Social Sciences. You could not even distingusih anything Chola from either a chulo or a cholo, so spare me the histrionics over a nebulosity such as the Austronesian peoples.
 
Of course, you could just be rehearsing for a possible audition for a WWF Smackdown berth. Your closing bluster is quite reminiscent of the theatrics displayed there. Of one thing I am certain however your total ignorance on this subject. Why don't you begin your education on the actual literature by reading James Fox--
 
 
Perhaps then you might grasp what is meant by Comparative Studies--as well as understand what is meant by pitfalls.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jun 2011 at 14:28
Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

... If there is any false erudition on display in this entire thread the Penguin tracks are irrefutable when it comes to the evidentiary.


The false erudiction is, obviously, on your side, this time. It amazes me that you don't give up, no matter you have doing the clown during ten pages already.
 
Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

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You could not even distingusih anything Chola from either a chulo or a cholo, so spare me the histrionics over a nebulosity such as the Austronesian peoples.


I can very well distinguish them from a Gallego. LOL
 
Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

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Of course, you could just be rehearsing for a possible audition for a WWF Smackdown berth. Your closing bluster is quite reminiscent of the theatrics displayed there. Of one thing I am certain however your total ignorance on this subject. Why don't you begin your education on the actual literature by reading James Fox--
 
 
Perhaps then you might grasp what is meant by Comparative Studies--as well as understand what is meant by pitfalls.


What a pitfall, indeed. Yours dear paper don't show anything on the origins of the outrigged canoes and theirs obvious descendent: the catamarans.
Make me a favour, if you want to do google-research, you better look for the origins of those boats, because that's the object of this thread. And, don't give the honour of invention to a people, like the Cholas, that copied the Austronesian nautical knowledge.

How come? would you say? If you have a minimum of knowledge about the conquest of the Pacific you had known that by the times these cholos supposedly "invented" the cathamaran, Polynesians had already conquered half the Pacific, and Indonesians have already reached Madagascar Confused

So, your timing doesn't match, my erudite doc. You lose, one more time.










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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jun 2011 at 16:14
Again, you are straining at the bit so as to race off into the horizon of irrelevancy and disconnect. We will not even touch your abuse of terminology as in "conquest" of the Pacific. Save that type of chatter for ESPN and the hyperbolics of "sports talk". In History, the term conquest has a very specific connotation so save those euphemistic usages for your varied moments of idle banter.
 
Of course, without realizing it you "confessed" your sins the minute you wrote "outrigged canoes" (sic outrigger canoes) and asserted the Austronesian origins, an assertion entirely based upon speculative assumptions. Of course you then went on to clarify that an outrigger canoe is not a catamaran, just an "obvious descendant". And please, do not assign your penchant for abuse (either verbal or terminological) in my direction since at no time do I or would I ever employ a term such as "invent" on objects that are the distinct product of variable developments. However, such reservations never enter into your consideration given your propensity to ignore entirely acceptable archeological time lines of specific identifications. Chola is a dynastic term not a "peoples" and Tamil society was already organized into a body politic by the 3rd century BC at which time the initial settlement of Madagascar is given its utmost time parameter by the archeological evidence ("Austronesian" migration--200 BC to AD 500). Even "nautical" tyros know and accept the fact that the greatest development of the outrigger craft took place on Sri Lanka, where it received the greatest refinements as a cargo transport.
 
Save all of the "projection" and pompous chit-chat for your upcoming visit to the local cantina, since your attempts at historical analysis are found wanting with respect to both terminology and usage.
 
Happy sailing on your bangka! Have you had it "petrolated"?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jun 2011 at 22:26
Do you mean "is it powered by gasoline/petrol, etc.?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jun 2011 at 22:36
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jun 2011 at 22:52
I would make a wild guess and suggest that I was, for maybe the first time, correct?

Thanks to you Doc!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Jun 2011 at 03:33
Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:


Of course, without realizing it you "confessed" your sins the minute you wrote "outrigged canoes" (sic outrigger canoes) and asserted the Austronesian origins, an assertion entirely based upon speculative assumptions.


For you, because you ignore things.

Look at your "Chola" empire. Look the territories were it expanded.



As you can see, it cover islands in Indonesia... A place settled by Austronesians LOL, a people that was spreading by the sea since thousand of years.
Ask yourself from where the Catamaran was copied. LOL

If instead of googling you use your brain, you would have understand it three days ago.






Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:


Of course you then went on to clarify that an outrigger canoe is not a catamaran, just an "obvious descendant".


Again, your silliness is infinite. I never said Polynesians lacked catamarans! In fact, they conquered the Pacific with both kind of boats. Obviously, to pass from an outrigged canoe to a catamaran is an obvious development.

Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:


Chola is a dynastic term not a "peoples" and Tamil society was already organized into a body politic by the 3rd century BC at which time the initial settlement of Madagascar is given its utmost time parameter by the archeological evidence ("Austronesian" migration--200 BC to AD 500). Even "nautical" tyros know and accept the fact that the greatest development of the outrigger craft took place on Sri Lanka, where it received the greatest refinements as a cargo transport


Don't speak nonsense. Obviously you are a Tamil-phile, but the fact is that Austronesians were conquering the world a lot time before Tamils. Where else do you find Tamils but in India, and as refugees in Canada? The Austronesians were the people that spread worldwide, not Tamils!

 
Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

Save all of the "projection" and pompous chit-chat for your upcoming visit to the local cantina,

Here, in this thread, I have show you several times how ignorant are you. Please, don't came with the arrogancy again.

Go to study physics, or history, rather than just contributing with the fight, Dr. inflated-ballon. LOL





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Jun 2011 at 03:34
Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

Man in his hurry
to get no place
other than a point,
any point of pointlessness,
one reached in discomfort
within the petrolated corpuscles
clogging the artery
ripped willy-nilly
through long forgotten pastures.


Indeed, you better collect poetry, because you understand nothing of math Big smile

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Jun 2011 at 03:42
another thread bites the dust.

To the trash bin it shall go.
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