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    Posted: 14 Sep 2017 at 01:35
Every year, somewhere in the world massive cyclones claim lives and completely devastate communities, and it appears that they will continue to do so. Cyclone damage, world wide, could be estimated in the trillions of dollars.

My question is, can human kind intervene and neutralise the cyclones before they make landfall?

Could the following be used to that effect?

Quote thermobaric weapon is a type of explosive that utilizes oxygen from the surrounding air to generate an intense, high-temperature explosion, and in practice the blast wave typically produced by such a weapon is of a significantly longer duration than that produced by a conventional condensed explosive. The fuel-air bomb is one of the best-known types of thermobaric weapons. (from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermobaric_weapon)

The informationabove is self explanatory. If the cyclones, hurricans and other high speed damaging wind patterns could be deprived of force by blast wave and loss of air while over water or unpopulated areas this would result in enormous savings in terms of both material and human lives.

Has this ever been tested?

If so, what were the results?


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Yes I think people will figure out how to interfere with cyclones and hurricanes. It's maybe not a good idea. Would they run various scenarios on computers to predict what will happen? We have early warning systems and people are better about responding here in the US, at least for the last three hurricanes that just hit Texas and the southeastern coast. Sudden catastrophes and loss of life are hard to take.

There are huge costs associated with disasters. There will be a long period of recovery then the insurance companies pay out and people rebuild. Many sectors of any economy get an employment and sales boost. Hotels, all retail of course heavy equipment and disposal. All those people have to eat.

It can mean improved structures. I don't say it's preferable to a disaster, it's awful to lose your home.
As for the Caribbean Islanders it's really a harbinger of even more doom. If the tides are rising then move on! Maldives-gone in ten years.
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Quote There are huge costs associated with disasters. There will be a long period of recovery then the insurance companies pay out and people rebuild. Many sectors of any economy get an employment and sales boost.

Does that include those people who live in New Orleans and whose homes were damaged or destroyed by Katrina?

Many of them are still iving in damaged houses, sans electricity or running water.

So much for FEMA!
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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Quote There are huge costs associated with disasters. There will be a long period of recovery then the insurance companies pay out and people rebuild. Many sectors of any economy get an employment and sales boost.

Does that include those people who live in New Orleans and whose homes were damaged or destroyed by Katrina?

Many of them are still iving in damaged houses, sans electricity or running water.

So much for FEMA!

I read that the $142 Billion put into Katrina recovery made for a lasting improvement. *for the citizens who lived through Katrina. 

I didn't know people are still living without power and water since Katrina.

If people are still screwed up maybe look at former mayor of New Orleans, Ray Nagin. He's doing ten years in Federal prison for bribery, money laundering, deals with contractors that were padded for Nagin and his friends to inhale. And Nagin as mayor was obligated to get drivers into those 500 buses and evacuate people. 

Former mayor Nagin's public service announcement during Katrina: "You are on your own" 

What's your beef with FEMA?


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Quote What's your beef with FEMA?

I could be wrong, but my training tells me that FEMA, as the overall Response Manager for Disaster Management, was responsible for the Response to Katrina, right through to the Recovery Stage, where assistance is provided for reparation, as well as a number of other things.

Maybe it's my comparing our system with the US system, which are focused differently.

I didn't know about the Mayor, so my jibe at FEMA is possibly unfair.

[quote]Criticism of the federal response to Katrina focused intensely on Michael D. Brown, undersecretary of the Department of Homeland Security and director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, or FEMA. At the time, much was made of the fact that prior to FEMA, the college friend of George W. Bush's campaign manager served for a decade as the commissioner of the International Arabian Horse Association.Brown famously told CNN that the federal government was unaware that evacuees were stranded at the New Orleans convention center — much less how squalid the conditions were — until Sept. 1, 2005, three days after the storm made landfall. ( http://www.npr.org/2015/08/27/434385285/swept-up-in-the-storm-hurricane-katrinas-key-players-then-and-now)

I just found this article, and it explains more about the failings of the Mayor, Governor and FEMA.

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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

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Quote What's your beef with FEMA?

I could be wrong, but my training tells me that FEMA, as the overall Response Manager for Disaster Management, was responsible for the Response to Katrina, right through to the Recovery Stage, where assistance is provided for reparation, as well as a number of other things.

Maybe it's my comparing our system with the US system, which are focused differently.

I didn't know about the Mayor, so my jibe at FEMA is possibly unfair.

[quote]Criticism of the federal response to Katrina focused intensely on Michael D. Brown, undersecretary of the Department of Homeland Security and director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, or FEMA. At the time, much was made of the fact that prior to FEMA, the college friend of George W. Bush's campaign manager served for a decade as the commissioner of the International Arabian Horse Association.Brown famously told CNN that the federal government was unaware that evacuees were stranded at the New Orleans convention center — much less how squalid the conditions were — until Sept. 1, 2005, three days after the storm made landfall. ( http://www.npr.org/2015/08/27/434385285/swept-up-in-the-storm-hurricane-katrinas-key-players-then-and-now)

I just found this article, and it explains more about the failings of the Mayor, Governor and FEMA.


Yes the famous "Brownie" of "your doing a heckuva job" fame, famously praised by GW Bush. Possibly the worst person for the job. 

That was no doubt a pathetic response. Management was lacking in New Orleans but there are so many other disasters where FEMA was outstanding; Rita, Ivan, Andrew, Irene there are so many.
It doesn't seem justified to blame FEMA. I think the Bush administration gets to take the heat for uncoordinated efforts during Katrina evacuations after the storm and the disaster with the trailers.

As far as the Mayor is concerned it's true he's serving time right now. It's public information.
 
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