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    Posted: 14 Jan 2015 at 02:57
In modern history, I can only think of two or three incidents which will remain in history under the heading of Infamy.
 
On December 7th 1941, Japanese aircraft attached Pearl Harbour with no warning. Prior to this, there had been no Declaration of War between the USA and Japan. It was an act of treachery and butality, and would lead to the eventual atomic bombing of Horoshima and Nagasaki, acts which many will say were infamous for the many innocent civilians who were killed.
 
The next was the terrorist attacks on North America on 11th September 2001. Known far and wide as 9/11, the attacks were to lead to greater American intervention in Middle East affairs and to the subsequent death of the mastermind behind the attacks, Osama Bin Laden.
 
For some reason, both of the most infamous war like acts in modern history have involved the USA, because of it's world wide influence perhaps?
 
I can think of no other Days of Infamy to match these, perhaps other readers may contribute.
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I think there are a number of acts and deeds to think of. It is more such Things are better known and remembered if the US is involved.
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Originally posted by fantasus fantasus wrote:

I think there are a number of acts and deeds to think of. It is more such Things are better known and remembered if the US is involved.
You've missed the point of my post.
 
If there are, historically, any other days which may be properly described as Days of Infamy, let's hear about them.
 
Perhaps the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki could be considered-it's your choice.
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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:


Originally posted by fantasus fantasus wrote:

I think there are a number of acts and deeds to think of. It is more such Things are better known and remembered if the US is involved.

You've missed the point of my post.
 
If there are, historically, any other days which may be properly described as Days of Infamy, let's hear about them.
 
Perhaps the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki could be considered-it's your choice.
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Perhaps it was better if I questioned if we can single out a few days of the last 100 years as "days of infamy", since there has been so many days and nights were "infamous" deeds were done. If there appeared to be any "innocence" that were destroyed by the attack of the japanese on Pearl Harbour, that "innocense" seems fior me an illusion. Japan, Germany, italy at that day had already a long record of aggression (and terror) and it could hardly be made much worse by that attack, so it was in no way a "lightning bolt from a clear blue sky". So why single any one out? But if we do I am sure there would be plenty to chose between. what about Nanjing? The day Germany and USSR divided Poland and Baltic states between them? The "Night of the long knives" (I am not sure if it is called that in English, the night when hitler ordered the murder of many of his former "comrades".

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I agree with you, there have many acts of infamy over the years, but were they on the scale of Pearl Harbour or 9/11?
 
That's the real question.
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I agree with you, there have many acts of infamy over the years, but were they on the scale of Pearl Harbour or 9/11?
 
That's the real question.
More people has been killed at other times in other Places.
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Originally posted by fantasus fantasus wrote:

Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:




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I agree with you, there have many acts of infamy over the years, but were they on the scale of Pearl Harbour or 9/11?
 
That's the real question.
More people has been killed at other times in other Places.
 
I suppose I should have expected an over simplistic reply such as this.
 
It doesn't address the question in any way, and seems to have the writer reveal that he has no answer.
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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:


Originally posted by fantasus fantasus wrote:

Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:




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I agree with you, there have many acts of infamy over the years, but were they on the scale of Pearl Harbour or 9/11?
 
That's the real question.
More people has been killed at other times in other Places.

 
I suppose I should have expected an over simplistic reply such as this.
 
It doesn't address the question in any way, and seems to have the writer reveal that he has no answer.

You give no reason this is "over simplistic" I don´t know how to "chose" what acts are more infamous than others or Who deserves this infamity most.
The japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941 may probably be better known than so many other acts of aggression of the 20.th Century, but mostly because its fatal consequences for Japan and because it was the U.S. of A that was attacked. Not because other actions were not as aggressive (if levels of aggression can be measured) or because the immediate prize in lives where the highest (there have been lots of killings of civilians or captives with even bigger rates of casualties).
Even this year, 2015, I have heard of massacres, though I have no watertight proof of the size of some of them (Nigeria).
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Just one example: Years before the 2011 attacks there was a bombing in Oklahoma, U.S.A. by a Citizen of that country. There was lots of casualties in the Building, but a fraction of those in WTC. Still one may ask why the one act should go into historý as 2infamous" but not the other one.
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Fantasus:
 
The OP is simply asking you to suggest other days in history which could be cassified under the heading of "Days of Infamy". You are asked to argue or discuss why you think they should be included.
 
For claritys sake, the OP is looking for single days-not a number of days, e.g. the assasination of Abraham Lincoln, or JFK or Martin Luther King.


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September 1.1939, the day of Germanys attack on Poland leading to war.
June 22, the German and its Allies attack the USSR.
August 23 1939: Molotov-Ribbentrop pact signed, dividing Poland between Germany and the USSR, that furthermore "got" the Baltic states. The night (though You asked only for "days") between 9-10 november 1938 of pogroms against Germanys jews is infamous too. And what about "the night of the long knives", june 1934, when the nazi leadership murdered its comrades? And I am convinced the list could go on and on, and there could be added days of infamy for colonialist powers, for African and asian countries, and for massacres as in Nanjing and so many other Places.
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