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Well, killing people for their fat is not better:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8369674.stm

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Peru-Police-Bust-Human-Body-Fat-Gang-Three-Men-Admit-Killing-People-And-Selling-Body-Fat/Article/200911315459065

Overall, the murdering of people to sell their bodyparts is not a specific African (or Latin american) problem, it seems to occur in several places. Sometimes the motifs are superstitous and sometimes pure economic, but is is equally bad. No big difference to be killed for ones bodyparts being used in medicine or sold to the cosmetics industry or to transplantation. Its equally bad.
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We aren't talking about crimes, Carcha. Look this

 
 
 
 
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We are talking about African superstition and Black Magic Murder. Nothing else.
 
 
 
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So you do not consider killing people for their bodyparts a crime?
In African countries it is considered a crime, and also in Peru and most other countries, regardless if the main motif is superstition or pure economy.

And the crimes in Sweden you mentioned had nothing to do with bodyparts, and they were not sanctioned by Swedish authorities either.

If we study statistics over murders in general we see that South America as a whole has a higher rate ( 25,9) of murder than Africa (20). As a comparison Europe has a rate of 5,4.
If we study countries we can see that Chile has a murder rate of 1,9 per 100 000 while Sweden has a rate of 0,89. Honduras is worst with a rate of 58 intentional murders per 100 000 inhabitants.

We can also notice that an African country as Senegal has a lower rate of murders than any Latin American country.


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Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

So you do not consider killing people for their bodyparts a crime?
In African countries it is considered a crime, and also in Peru and most other countries, regardless if the main motif is superstition or pure economy.

And the crimes in Sweden you mentioned had nothing to do with bodyparts, and they were not sanctioned by Swedish authorities either.

If we study statistics over murders in general we see that South America as a whole has a higher rate ( 25,9) of murder than Africa (20). As a comparison Europe has a rate of 5,4.
If we study countries we can see that Chile has a murder rate of 1,9 per 100 000 while Sweden has a rate of 0,89. Honduras is worst with a rate of 58 intentional murders per 100 000 inhabitants.

We can also notice that an African country as Senegal has a lower rate of murders than any Latin American country.
 
Perhaps. But you don't get focus.
 
We are talking about black magic body parts traffic.
And that's a problem of Africa.
 
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Body parts as body parts, it is similarly disgusting whatever is the reason for killing people and trade with them.
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State of Peace worldwide.
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Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

Body parts as body parts, it is similarly disgusting whatever is the reason for killing people and trade with them.
 
Black magic, Carcha. That's the topic, not European consumers of fat, kidneys, hearts or blood. Not the traffic of human parts from China, South East Asia or Latin America to satisfy rich Europeans, or the traffic of orfans that end in the prostitution and porn industry of Sweden.
 
Focus in Black magic and superstition!!!


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For the victims of the trade with bodyparts it is egal if they are killed for economic or superstituos reasons. They end up dead in both cases.
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

State of Peace worldwide.


Would be interesting to know how those who made this map define peace. It seems their view of conflicts and non conflicts are a bit oversimplified.
Take an example as New Guinea, according to this map it is less peace there than in the western part of New Guinea where a conflic between indonesian troops and aboriginal inhabitants is going on.



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For the victims of the trade with bodyparts it is egal if they are killed for economic or superstituos reasons. They end up dead in both cases.
 
Certainly. But you can't get focus in a topic, can you?
 
Killings for black magic in Africa.  That's the topic.
 
Do you deny they exist? They are widespread in Subsaharan Africa, and not only in Tanzania where the Albino tragedy is going on.
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

or the traffic of orfans that end in the prostitution and porn industry of Sweden.
 

I'm getting seriously tired of this bullsh*t. Carch's obvious problems doesn't give you any right to babble such nonsense.
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Yes. Too much isn't? Sweden is doing better now.
 
 
I bet am exagerating as much as Carcha.
 
Leave this thread now. It is impossible to maintain a rational discussion here.
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It seems that the problem with albinos is a rather small one compared with a lot of other humanitarian problems, both in Africa and other places. How bizarr it seems it is still just a minor problem compared with many other questions.

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For Albinos it is not a minor problem
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Will you two stop it! Both commit the same errors in blissful ignorance yet recriminate against each other worse than a bunch of two-year olds. It's great to cloak one's self in the mantle of long distance humanitarianism but if you consciousness is in such dither, go out your doors and do some some good for your immediate humanity! And no, two-cents dropped off in a collection box of some bureaucratic advocacy group will not satisfy the requirement.   
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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

Will you two stop it! Both commit the same errors in blissful ignorance yet recriminate against each other worse than a bunch of two-year olds. It's great to cloak one's self in the mantle of long distance humanitarianism but if you consciousness is in such dither, go out your doors and do some some good for your immediate humanity! And no, two-cents dropped off in a collection box of some bureaucratic advocacy group will not satisfy the requirement.   


Well, I have been involved in different humantiarian work for years now so at least I try to do something.
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Well do it in a positive manner other than coming out with flakey generalizations that themselves are products of biases and refusals to understand the integrity of other cultures and societies. One does not educate by recourse to harangue and recrimination.
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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

Well do it in a positive manner other than coming out with flakey generalizations that themselves are products of biases and refusals to understand the integrity of other cultures and societies. One does not educate by recourse to harangue and recrimination.


Sometimes one just to have to speak up about certain things. But of course, one can not always expect everyone to agree.
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Well, how about the suspicion that Sweden "hides" factual child abuse cases behind faulty statistics?
 
 
Do you think I should go out and begin all sorts of flaky oratory about the evils of Swedish culture and the possibility that it might "spread" elsewhere. What about all those Sammis and others engaging in persistent smuggling across international borders? Take your pick:
 
 
Social problems are just that "social problems" and no "society" can assert their inexistence no matter how Utopic the blather.
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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

Well, how about the suspicion that Sweden "hides" factual child abuse cases behind faulty statistics?
 
 
Do you think I should go out and begin all sorts of flaky oratory about the evils of Swedish culture and the possibility that it might "spread" elsewhere. What about all those Sammis and others engaging in persistent smuggling across international borders? Take your pick:
 
 
Social problems are just that "social problems" and no "society" can assert their inexistence no matter how Utopic the blather.


I think you should. The first one you misinterpreted though: it's non-Swedish pro-ban people who "hides" Swedish child deaths. There is no such attempt here, and the ban on physical punishment wasn't motivated by attemps to stop maltreatment deaths in first place.
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Styrbiorn, I was not presenting the material as a reflection of my "opinions"; instead, the profer was made as an instructive caution to Carch on information and the media morass. I did not misinterpret what was essentially an issue being debated in the British Parliament some years back. Neverthless, even you found that, somehow, you had to rush to defend the "national" honor.
 
Besides, with "skin trade" and "minarets" there had been damned little discussion of History going on in the Forum, and that should be our emphasis.
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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

Styrbiorn, I was not presenting the material as a reflection of my "opinions"; instead, the profer was made as an instructive caution to Carch on information and the media morass. I did not misinterpret what was essentially an issue being debated in the British Parliament some years back. Neverthless, even you found that, somehow, you had to rush to defend the "national" honor.
 

I know that basicly all things concerning Sweden in this forum come as backlashes against Carch's tirades, but I wouldn't mind discussing other people's views on the country. Which is why I take my chances whenever I get them ;)

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Besides, with "skin trade" and "minarets" there had been damned little discussion of History going on in the Forum, and that should be our emphasis.

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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

Well, how about the suspicion that Sweden "hides" factual child abuse cases behind faulty statistics?
 
 
Do you think I should go out and begin all sorts of flaky oratory about the evils of Swedish culture and the possibility that it might "spread" elsewhere. What about all those Sammis and others engaging in persistent smuggling across international borders? Take your pick:
 
 
Social problems are just that "social problems" and no "society" can assert their inexistence no matter how Utopic the blather.


If you want to discuss Swedish social problems, I dont mind. Just open a thread about them. Then if you study those things in detail you will see that Sweden comes rather high in most UN lists about where is the best place to live in terms of high life expectancy, child care, health care, equality between the sexes, perceived happiness, education and other factors.
But lately those Norwegians has beaten us in some of the listings which of course must make us more alert in these issues Smile



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Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

... better you take your beloved Spaniards, Portuguese and  Latinos as an example since they committed far worse atrocities than most aboriginal peoples ever did.
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Indeed, I agree that they commited many crimes. But they also prevented others. Human sacrifices, for instance.
 
Instead they practised another form of human sacrifice, to kill the so called heathens in the name of God, that is also a kind of human sacrifice.

Carch Carch Carch, why so thick in every thread... the Spaniards o those evil damn catholics, I'm so good because I'm a protestant.? Stop the propaganda... the Spaniards would have been destroyed if they didn't ally with the locals, it wasn't a one side, nor a black and white conquest. 


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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

Yea that's right excuse your South Americans by blaming Italians, typical.
 
Well, Zag, the international traffic in body parts is rapidly becoming a troublesome phenomenon.
 
 
 
 
 
 
And there are many more instances than those cited above so it would not be unusual for criminal gangs to take shortcuts so as to satify "market" demands.
 
 
It even has intruded into the Israeli/Palestinian conflict (you're not going to like this one Carch, something about Swedes...)
 
 
 


I was just winding him up, mate because of his implication that I excused the murder and dismemberment of albinos simply because it was Africans what did it.


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Originally posted by es_bih es_bih wrote:

 

Carch Carch Carch, why so thick in every thread... the Spaniards o those evil damn catholics, I'm so good because I'm a protestant.? Stop the propaganda... the Spaniards would have been destroyed if they didn't ally with the locals, it wasn't a one side, nor a black and white conquest.


Well this was written about Latin America where the mainpart of the invaders where catholics. The Spaniards, the  Portuguese and their decendants are actually guilty of destroying and exterminating a lot of peoples in those parts of the Americas they occupied, and unfortunately the persecution of the Amerindians are still going on.
And the locals helping the Spaniards, so what? To divide and conquer is an old proven method used to gain power and subdue other peoples.

Read up on this subject so maybe you learn something about it. And maybe you could also contact some of those people who today are working to save some of the amerindian peoples from destruction. Or maybe you even could contact some of the Amerindians that are persecuted in Latin America and hear what they have to tell.

And I have not claimed that the protestants did not opress people in those places where they were in charge.

But maybe we can continue the discussion about Latin Americas native population on some of the threads I opened about them or in the thread about aboriginal peoples. there you will also find some links about these subjects:

Save Xingu peoples from destruction
http://www.allempires.net/forum/save-xingu-peoples-from-destruction_topic124000.html

The sap of Death, the Rubber boom in the amazon
http://allempires.net/forum/the-sap-of-death-the-rubber-boom-in-the-amazon_topic124452.html

The Missions of California and their not so blessed founder:
http://www.allempires.net/forum/california-missions-and-their-founder_topic124497_post9741.html?KW=missions+california#9741





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Carch all of this sensationalism was addressed long ago...must you be so reiterative and actually commit the unpardonable sin possible to any advocate: the boring of a potential audience to death!
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Just giving some info about the threads about those matters in the case the poster maybe were not aware of it.
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Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

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Well this was written about Latin America where the mainpart of the invaders where catholics. The Spaniards, the  Portuguese and their decendants are actually guilty of destroying and exterminating a lot of peoples in those parts of the Americas they occupied, and unfortunately the persecution of the Amerindians are still going on.
And the locals helping the Spaniards, so what? To divide and conquer is an old proven method used to gain power and subdue other peoples.
 
Carch. Sorry to say so, and even if it cost me to be banned, I can't stand your propaganda anymore.
 
Indians of Latin America are Latinos like everybody else, and they also have Iberian blood. Even more, most of them are Catholics or Protestanst Confused...
 
 
The fact stand that in Africa people still kill Albinos because of theirs primitive tribal mentality, that tells them white skin is magic Confused
 
You simply are lost, Carch.


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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

 
Carch. Sorry to say so, and even if it cost me to be banned, I can't stand your propaganda anymore.
 
Indians of Latin America are Latinos like everybody else, and they also have Iberian blood. Even more, most of them are Catholics or Protestanst Confused...
 
Amerindians are people of their own, with their own traditions, cultures and values. Even though many of them have been forced to assimilate into the Latino culture there are still many who like to keep thier own identity.
Latino culture has for many Amerindians come to mean both spiritual, cultural and material powerty.
One can also among many Amerindian peoples today see movements to try to keep, and even win back, traditional land, language and culture.
 
 
Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

The fact stand that in Africa people still kill Albinos because of theirs primitive tribal mentality, that tells them white skin is magic Confused 
 
Noone say that some Africans do not kill albinos. But one one can just compare with other evils (as the killing of indians in Latin America) to get the right proportions of the phenomena.
 
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