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Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

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Amerindians are people of their own, with their own traditions, cultures and values. Even though many of them have been forced to assimilate into the Latino culture there are still many who like to keep thier own identity.
Latino culture has for many Amerindians come to mean both spiritual, cultural and material powerty.
One can also among many Amerindian peoples today see movements to try to keep, and even win back, traditional land, language and culture.
 
There is no separation between Indian and Latino culture but it is a continium.
 
The problem with you Carcha, it is that you think the 100 Indians of the Amazon that are still uncontacted represent the 80 millions Indians Latin America has, or the 300 millions of mixed descendents that Latin America also has.
 
As usuall, you are lost. 
 
 
Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

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Noone say that some Africans do not kill albinos. But one one can just compare with other evils (as the killing of indians in Latin America) to get the right proportions of the phenomena.
 
You can't stand the topic of albinos because the bad guys here are Blacks.  Period
 
What about the cannibalism on Pigmies? What about the rape of small babies to cure AIDS? What about the ritual sacrifices of animals in shamanic practises that sometimes includes people, too.
 
Why don't you see that in Rwanda, in just some weeks, more that a million people was killed by racist motivations? And that is more than whole population of Amerindians in the Amazon.
 
 
 
 


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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

 
There is no separation between Indian and Latino culture but it is a continium.
 
The problem with you Carcha, it is that you think the 100 Indians of the Amazon that are still uncontacted represent the 80 millions Indians Latin America has, or the 300 millions of mixed descendents that Latin America also has.
 
Of course the situation varies between different peoples and in different parts of Latin America. But still there are many Amerindians who do not want to be seen as Latinos but feel that they have an etnicity of their own.
 
The same goes also for North America, also there one can se a revival of Amerindian cultural awareness.
 
 
Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

You can't stand the topic of albinos because the bad guys here are Blacks.  Period
 
Do not be so ridiculous. Crimes are crimes wether the perpetrators are white, black, brown, yellow or of some other color.
 
Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

What about the cannibalism on Pigmies? What about the rape of small babies to cure AIDS? What about the ritual sacrifices of animals in shamanic practises that sometimes includes people, too.
 
Why don't you see that in Rwanda, in just some weeks, more that a million people was killed by racist motivations? And that is more than whole population of Amerindians in the Amazon. 
 
If you actually read what I wrote I actually stated that I find the killings of Albinos horrible. And of course there are also a lot of other atrocities committed in Africa, as in the rest of the world. But it seems that you have a preference in blaming Africans for everything (even of procreating to much) while you are not equally willing to recognize all the bad things that Latinos (and their Spanish and Portuguese ancestors) have done through history, and still are doing.
 
 
 


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Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

 
Of cource the situation varies between different peoples and in different parts of Latin America. But still there are many Amerindians who do not want to be seen as Latinos but feel that they have an etnicity of their own.
 
The same goes also for North America, also there one can se a revival of Amerindian cultural awareness.
 
Who disagree on that? Latino doesn't mean a carrier of Hispanic culture either. Latino only means born in Latin America, and our Native people are born in Latin America.
 
 
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If you actually read what I wrote I actually stated that I find the killings of Albinos horrible. But...
 
I read it. The point is you don't need to add the "BUT" that follows, and that I highlighted above. You are just trying to diminishing the problem blamming others. Turning the attention elsewhere, and that's wrong. Focus in the problem of African culture (or lack of it) that drive some people there to believe the white skin is magical. Why that happens? That's the focus of this thread.
 
If you want to speak against my people, open a thread stating your bigotry against Latinos and Catholics (something already established), and I will follow to debunk your claims, but don't mix them on here as an excuse.
 
 


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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

 

Who disagree on that? Latino doesn't mean a carrier of Hispanic culture either. Latino only means born in Latin America, and our Native people are born in Latin America.

 

Noone say that the Amerindians are not born in Latin America, even if the concept in itself is alien.

  

Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

I read it. The point is you don't need to add the "BUT" that follows, and that I highlighted above. You are just trying to diminishing the problem blamming others. Turning the attention elsewhere, and that's wrong. Focus in the problem of African culture (or lack of it) that drive some people there to believe the white skin is magical. Why that happens? That's the focus of this thread.

 

Just want to put things in proportions. Compared with the extermination of Amerindians and many other genocides the killing of the Albinos is rather small in extent.

 

Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

If you want to speak against my people, open a thread stating your bigotry against Latinos and Catholics (something already established), and I will follow to debunk your claims, but don't mix them on here as an excuse.

 

Well, I see that you have ventilated your bigotry against Africans in several threads now (the most hilarious was the one where you talked about Africans procreating to much).

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Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

Just want to put things in proportions. Compared with the extermination of Amerindians and many other genocides the killing of the Albinos is rather small in extent.

 
Prove there is a genocide going on TODAY against Amerindians. You lie, as usual.

Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Well, I see that you have ventilated your bigotry against Africans in several threads now (the most hilarious was the one where you talked about Africans procreating to much).

 
So, Africans don't procreate too much? Beyond the food they can produce?
 
So, there is no traffic of human parts for magical practises in Africa?
 
So, isn't Albine's skin a preffered magical skin?
 
So, it is false that children are raped in Africa to cure AIDS?
 
So Pigmies haven't complained to the U.N. for the killings of theirs people in cannibalistic acts?
 
So, Africans didn't have racist genocides as Rwanda, where Hutus killed a million of Tutsies in weeks?
 
Is that false? No excuses.


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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

 
Prove there is a genocide going on against Amerindians. You lie, as usual.
 
Just read all the references I have given in other threads about that subject.
 

Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

So, Africans don't procreate too much?
 
No, not worse than other people. In that case one can say Latinos procreate to much too in certain areas, destroying their forests and other environments and flooding the natives with a lot of settlers, loggers and others invading their natives land.
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Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

 
Just read all the references I have given in other threads about that subject.
 
Lier.
 

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No, not worse than other people. In that case one can say Latinos procreate to much too in certain areas, destroying their forests and other environments and flooding the natives with a lot of settlers, loggers and others invading their natives land.
 
It is our lands. It is not your business if we build dam and destroyed that f...k Amazonian jungle that not even Indians want.
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Lier.
 

No lies. Just read the threads again and the links and references I added.

 
Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

  It is our lands. It is not your business if we build dam and destroyed that f...k Amazonian jungle that not even Indians want.
 

Latinos have no right to destroy or steal the land of the Native Americans and displacing them. And also the shopping down of the forests are causing problems for the climate and atmosphere of the whole world. That is a more serious threat to the world than the imagined over-procreating of Africans.

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Latinos have no right to destroy or steal the land of the Native Americans and displacing them. And also the shopping down of the forests are causing problems for the climate and atmosphere of the whole world. That is a more serious threat to the world than the imagined over-procreating of Africans.
 
Ask Africans to plant trees. They have a billion of people which don't have a job, and several millions starving. Perhaps the Swedish could help. That way you will get free oxygen.
 
Latin America is property of Latin Americans and we can do with it what we wish!
 
South America doesn't need an old fashionated jungle, that makes this place look like Africa Confused
If you want the poissonous snakes, we can collect them and ship to your home by mail.
 
 


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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

 

Ask Africans to plant trees. They have a billion of people which don't have a job, and several millions starving. Perhaps the Swedish could help. That way you will get free oxygen.

 

Africa does not even have billions of people so they can hardly have a billion people who do not have a job.

And Sweden already do try to help.

 

Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

 Latin America is property of Latin Americans and we can do with it what we wish!

 

No you can not. Also Latin America is a part of the world and must adapt to international agreements.

 

Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

South America doesn't need an old fashionated jungle, that makes this place look like Africa

If you want the poissonous snakes, we can collect them and ship to your home by mail. 

 

 The forests are extremely important for climate and atmosphere. And I do not think that the world will let Latin America or any other destroy the climate for everybody else.

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No you can not. Also Latin America is a part of the world and must adapt to international agreements.

 
Yes. We can. We are already doing it
 
 


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So, Africans don't procreate too much? Beyond the food they can produce?
 
So, there is no traffic of human parts for magical practises in Africa?
 
So, isn't Albine's skin a preffered magical skin?
 
So, it is false that children are raped in Africa to cure AIDS?
 
So Pigmies haven't complained to the U.N. for the killings of theirs people in cannibalistic acts?
 
So, Africans didn't have racist genocides as Rwanda, where Hutus killed a million of Tutsies in weeks?
 
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Yes. We can. We are already doing it

 

 
Just to a certain degree. When the destruction of the environment in South America more and more starts to seriously influence the rest of the world, then it will be stopped.
 
 


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Impossible. Each new born in Africa will need food, and that continent can't produce enough food anymore, and it will never will, so grain must be shipped there. So the Amazon will continue falling to provide grain to the food market.
Look at this. Generous Brazil is stopping the starving masses of the world from death.
 
 
 
Brazil produces
 
 
Africa eats
 
 
The Amazon falls.
 
Guess what it is the solution.
 
 
 
 
 


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Things are changing in Africa too, and both health, economy and politics will for sure get better. Better and more eco-friendly management of natural resources and energy will also come to Africa. With better living circumstances the population increase will stabilize.
 
And when climate problems become more acute, pressure will be put on countries who participate in destroying the atmosphere with heavy deforestation or in other ways.
 
The time where countries could do anything they liked in the guise of national sovereignity will soon be over. We live on one globe and what is happening on that globe concerns us all.


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Things are changing in Africa too, and both health, economy and politics will for sure get better. Also better and more eco-friendly management of natural resources and energy will also come to Africa. With better living circumstances the population increase will stabilize.
 
Nonsense optimistic feelings, based on dreamming rather than in reality. Read the U.N. statistics.
Since the 1960s, Africa has gone backwards instead of forwards, and the trend continue and accelerates.
 
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And when climate problems become more acute, pressure will be put on countries who participate in destroying the atmosphere with heavy deforestation or in other ways.
 
So? What do you want? That African stop eating? From where you are going to get lands to feed the billions of Africans, Indians, Chinese and other masses that don't have enough food already? And whose countries don't produce enough to feed them?
 
Do you know how many countries eat with the food we produce just in Chile? Have you seen our environment?
 
Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

The time where countries could do anything they liked in the guise of national sovereignity will soon be over. We live on one globe and what is happening on that globe concerns us all.
 
It is not out of the reach of Latin America to produce long distance missiles, atomic submarines and nukes. So, don't fool around with us.
 
If you want to stop the destruction of the global environment, stop people that reproduce like crazy from doing so. That's the main threat to the environment.
 
And don't put your imperialistic eyes in Latin America. We aren't weak anymore as we used to be.
 
 


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Nonsense optimistic feelings, based on dreamming rather than in reality. Read the U.N. statistics.
Since the 1960s, Africa has gone backwards instead of forwards, and the trend continue and accelerates.
 
That is a simplistic view. New investments and much progress are in fact made in Africa, even if it not always find its way into the headlines. Actually, African development is many times quicker than many Europan countries when they where in a similar situation not to long ago.
 
Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

  So? What do you want? That African stop eating? From where you are going to get lands to feed the billions of Africans, Indians, Chinese and other masses that don't have enough food already? And whose countries don't produce enough to feed them?
 
Well, much of the soy that for example Brazil produces goes not to food for the starving but for animal food, which is a rather wasteful way of using resources.
  
Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

It is not of the reach of Latin America to produce long distance missiles, atomic submarines and nukes. So, don't fool around with us.
 
If you want to stop the destruction of the global environment, stop people that reproduce like crazy from doing so. That's the main threat to the environment.
 
And don't put your imperialistic eyes in Latin America. We aren't weak anymore as we used to be.
  
 
Noone talks about bombs or missiles, there are other more peaceful, but still effective, means. We live on one globe and noone can in the long run destroy it without bothering about others will.
 
And about reproduction, maybe one shall have a chat with the pope and stop him from propagandizing against abortions and contraceptives. That would be a good start.
 
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That is a simplistic view. New investments and much progress are in fact made in Africa, even if it not always find its way into the headlines. Actually, African development is many times quicker than many Europan countries when they where in a similar situation not to long ago.
 
You should stop reading Disney's magazines.
 
Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

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Well, much of the soy that for example Brazil produces goes not to food for the starving but for animal food, which is a rather wasteful way of using resources.
 
So, destroying the jungles for the starving is good,  but not for eating burgers at McDonalds? How inconsistent.
  
 
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Noone talks about bombs or missiles, there are other more peaceful, but still effective, means. We live on one globe and noone can in the long run destroy it without bothering about others will.
 
Latin America won't stop its development so urgently needed to diminish the poor minorities, just to be in good terms with environmentalist and eco-fanatics.
 
Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

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And about reproduction, maybe one shall have a chat with the pope and stop him from propagandizing against abortions and contraceptives. That would be a good start.
 
There you go. There aren't many Catholics in Africa.  And yes, I don't agree with the Pope on that.
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So, destroying the jungles for the starving is good,  but not for eating burgers at McDonalds? How inconsistent.
 
One does not neccesarily have to destroy the jungles for food. One can improve the agricultural practises on land that are already used for agriculture. And the lux consumption of unessecary food must also decrease.  
 
Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

 Latin America won't stop its development so urgently needed to diminish the poor minorities, just to be in good terms with environmentalist and eco-fanatics.
 
Development do not have to mean to destroy the living conditions for both minorities and also in the long run for the majority. That is actually the opposite of development.
 
Right now the big meeting in Coopenhagen is underway. Among other things it seems that the question of deforestation and its impact on the climate will be discussed. Shall be interesting to see what comes out of those discussions.
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One does not neccesarily have to destroy the jungles for food. One can improve the agricultural practises on land that are already used for agriculture. And the lux consumption of unessecary food must also decrease.  
 
The Americas would be the granary of the world without the massive destruction of the forest that happened from the U.S. to Argentina. That's a fact. Trees are less economically productive than agricultural lands.
 
Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

 
Development do not have to mean to destroy the living conditions for both minorities and also in the long run for the majority. That is actually the opposite of development.
 
Right now the big meeting in Coopenhagen is underway. Among other things it seems that the question of deforestation and its impact on the climate will be discussed. Shall be interesting to see what comes out of those discussions.
 
Perhaps they realize finally that population growth is the main source of stress for planet earth. If they concentrate in the people that reproduce without control, fixing the environment should be easy in the long term. Otherwise, all the environmentalist effort will be in vain.
 
 
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And this is the reality of Africa:
 
African economic growth to drop by 50 % in 2009 
Emerging Markets Business News 
Tuesday, 03 February 2009 11:24 
 
Addis Ababa, Ethiopia - The African economic growth will decline by 50% in 2009 due to the current global financial crisis, financial institutions said at the 12th African Union summit on Tuesday in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia. The ongoing AU summit is discussing the ‘Global Financial Crisis’ on its second and final day.
World financial institutions, including the African Development Bank (AfDB), the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund (IMF) among others, expressed their fear that Africa will be highly affected by the current global financial crisis unless the world is ready to support it.
Sub-Saharan countries are expected to suffer economic instability as their economic growth would jump from over 6% in 2008 to 4.5 % in 2009 while Africa as a whole would witness a 50% growth decline.
AfDB president Donald Kaberuka told the gathering of African leaders that Sub-Saharan African countries will face major problems in their export trade and getting Official Development Assistance (ODA) from the international community in order to support their budget and development activities.
The World Bank vice president for Africa, Obiageli Ezekwesili, indicated that Africa will also face decline in commodity exports, including oil.
Oil exporting African countries like Angola, Nigeria will highly be affected due to the decline of oil demands at the international market, she added.
She also noted that the financial crisis will affect, among others, the economies of commodity exporters like DR Congo, Zambia and South Africa and tourism economies such as Kenya, Mauritius, Tanzania, Rwanda and Kenya.
According to World Bank vice president for Africa Ezekwesili, Africa’s remittance will also decline and this will impact on the continent’s economy.
The World Bank also expressed its readiness to support Africa in its economic challenge and climate change.
Source: APA
 
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I am planning to open a thread about how we shall manage the worlds natural resources and who really owns the environment. Maybe its better to discuss ecological and similar issues there so this threads original subject can be discussed.

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Agree. Do it. In this thread the following questions should be answered:
 
So, Africans don't procreate too much? Beyond the food they can produce?
 
So, there is no traffic of human parts for magical practises in Africa?
 
So, isn't Albine's skin a preffered magical skin?
 
So, it is false that children are raped in Africa to cure AIDS?
 
So Pigmies haven't complained to the U.N. for the killings of theirs people in cannibalistic acts?
 
So, Africans didn't have racist genocides as Rwanda, where Hutus killed a million of Tutsies in weeks?
 
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Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

I am planning to open a thread about how we shall manage the worlds natural resources and who really owns the environment. Maybe its better to discuss ecological and similar issues there so this threads original subject can be discussed.

Oh great, Carch is going to replicate the up-coming Copenhagen moment. The rumbles against this type of self-serving "we know better" are going to become volcanic in just a few days!
 
It's going to be fun...
 
 


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  Agree. Do it. In this thread the following questions should be answered:
 
So, Africans don't procreate too much? Beyond the food they can produce?
 
No they do not. The problem in Africa is the distribution of food, money and other resources. They are uneven. Also many African countries grow export crops for sale instead of growing food crops.
 If those problems are rectified resources would actually be enough to feed most Africans. 
 
 
Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

  So, there is no traffic of human parts for magical practises in Africa?
 
 So, isn't Albine's skin a preffered magical skin?
 
So, it is false that children are raped in Africa to cure AIDS?
 
So Pigmies haven't complained to the U.N. for the killings of theirs people in cannibalistic acts?
 
So, Africans didn't have racist genocides as Rwanda, where Hutus killed a million of Tutsies in weeks?
 
Is that false? No excuses.
 
Who has denied this?
There are many problems in Africa, as in many other parts of the world.
And some of these problems are not unique for Africa, for example the rape of children to cure AIDS or other diseases, it has been reported from Asia too, among other places Taiwan there 10 year old girls have been raped for curing both AIDS and old age. The phenomena occured in Europe too, for example there are reports from England in the 18th and 19th century about men raping small girls to cure syphilis.
 
If one shall add something to your list above one can also add the flogging and stoning of women which occur in both muslim African countries (as Somalia) and in some other muslim countries (as Saudi Arabia and Iran). Also among non muslim people in for example Irak the phenomena has occured.
 


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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

  Agree. Do it. In this thread the following questions should be answered:
 
So, Africans don't procreate too much? Beyond the food they can produce?
 
No they do not.
 
Please, Carcha Confused.... Gimme a break
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As I mentioned, by the right precatuions many of the problems with food could be rectified. Better and more even distribution of wealth and resources could even out this and more growing of food crops instead of growing crops for sale.
Of course there are other ecological and geographical hindrances but much of it could be evened out with better management, both the authorities in the African countries but also with better and more adequate help from the rich part of the world.
 
If those things does not help, then maybe you could write a letter to the governments of Subsaharan Africa and ask them to implement a one child policy in their repective countries. Would be interesting to read the answers from their secretaries, if you ever received any LOL
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If those things does not help, then maybe you could write a letter to the governments of Subsaharan Africa and ask them to implement a one child policy in their repective countries. Would be interesting to read the answers from their secretaries, if you ever received any LOL
 
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Of course they can. Just look at the representants from Africa in the Copenhagen meeting, they are quite literate, and more educated than most ordinary people in both Chile and Sweden.
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