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    Posted: 06 Mar 2015 at 11:59
Ten years ago, nine young Australians foolishly travelled to Bali (Indonesia) where they obtained a quantity of heroin and attempted to smuggle it to Australia. They were caught by Indonesian Police after a tip off from the Australian Federal Police.
 
At their trials, seven were convicted (a foregone conclusion) and sentenced to sentences of imprisonment ranging from 20 years to life. Two were identified as the ring leaders and were sentenced to the Death Penalty.
 
Expectations are that they will by executed by firing squad within the next few days.
 
Australia does not support the Death Penalty, and many representations have been made to spare the two men, Andrew Chan and Myuka Sunakaram, to no avail.
 
The question of the Death Penalty raises its heaed from time to time, with many people arguing that it serves no deterrent purpose, and therefore is merely an act of retribution.
 
The USA is perhaps the best example of the Death Penalty not being a deterrent. Many US states have discontinued the penalty for that reason.
 
I accept that some offenders, because of the crimes they have committed, don't deserve to live, but is that the attitude the the people, through their government, wish to portray?
 
Should the Death Penalty be scrapped world wide?
 
 
 
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They need to be tossed into the phantom zone which Jor El himself discovered.
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Originally posted by literaryClarity literaryClarity wrote:

They need to be tossed into the phantom zone which Jor El himself discovered.
 
Are you spamming me?
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Ask the Islamists whom practice Sharia Law.  They think not executing a person and putting him behind bars forever is cruel and unusual punishment.
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It's a tough question. Deterrence is one part of the criminal justice system, but not all. Justice must be seen to be done if society is to believe in it and generally follow it. That means that the indignation that results from some crimes must be met with a proportional punishment. If the system is severely flawed, or at least seen to be so, people will start moving away from it, in small ways at first perhaps, but maybe increasingly. If ma and pa run into their son's killer in the shopping mall, after he has done his two years of anger management and social skills programming, what will be the emotions, and what the result?

On the other hand, violence tends to breed violence, and many will take their cue from those considered in authority, or representative of accepted belief, whether consciously or unconsciously. State violence will diffuse its way through society, or at least some factions of it, and lead to a less desirable outcome. There is also the obvious problem of mistakes, or which there are many on record. Capital punishment can mean fatal mistakes. 
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The role of the Australian Federal Police leaves a lot to be desired. If the Australian body politic is/was so concerned about the barbarity of the death penalty these young fools should have been arrested prior to leaving the country without the AFR tipping off the Indonesian police once they had left for Bali. Crocodile tears by the body politic with their candle light vigils etc.   
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Originally posted by 4ZZZ 4ZZZ wrote:

The role of the Australian Federal Police leaves a lot to be desired. If the Australian body politic is/was so concerned about the barbarity of the death penalty these young fools should have been arrested prior to leaving the country without the AFR tipping off the Indonesian police once they had left for Bali. Crocodile tears by the body politic with their candle light vigils etc.   
 
Spot on!
 
The AFP obviously had enough evidence to charge them all with Conspiracy to Import, but instead tipped off the Indonesian Police with full knowledge that if they were apprehended, the Death Penalty would be on the table.
 
It seems to me that this was a deliberate act intended to warn other Australians of what they could face.
 
Nevertheless, an act of bastardry.
 


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