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    Posted: 11 Jan 2010 at 01:34
Information on the legendary founders of the Iroquois.
 
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Wampum belts

How history is remembered by people that lacked writing? Well, by memorizing it.

It is known that many events of pre-literate people were keep by memory during centuries in different peoples. Events in the Bible, and also the Illiad and the Odissey were kept in that way before they addopted a writen form. That's also true for the Story of Sundiatta, the classic of Mali, which was keep as an oral tradition since the Middle Ages to the twentieth century.  Other old tradition is found in Easter Island, where the Polynesians remember the discoverer of the island, Hotu Matua, thanks to the memorizing of the people.
 
In the Americas, two hundred years of history before Columbus was remember both in the Inca Empire and the Aztecs, thanks to professional memorizers, who were trained to remember the historical events to the smallest details. When the Spaniards arrived, they put that knowledge in writing, so modern historians can make use of it. In fact, all the Inca and Aztec rulers are know, and even theirs precise dates of birth and date.
 
These professional memorizers used some devices to help themselves in the task of memorizing. A simple technique was recording poems, because the metrics and repetitive patters make it easier to remember and to correct mistakes. Another is the use of memorizing tools.
 
All non-literate people of the world have some form of memorizing tools. The native Australians had some very interesting records that help them to remember events. The same is true of the Polynesians, Africans and Native Americans.
 
Among the Iroquois people, those devices are known as Wampum Belts. And this is the description of them.
 
 

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My dear foolish Pinguin, do you not realize that all of these references make mush of your contention that no one studied the Amerindian within the context of the United States? That you have now chosen to continue the polemic despite embarrassments caused in another thread is hardly laudatory. Nevertheless, you are confusing the criteria for ethnology with those of history and despite the valiant effort to "cut and paste", the simple fact that you had to include Horatio Hale is a serious disconnect in your purely argumentative stance.
 
By the way, web commentary produced by a student does not mean that what is contained therein represents any new or shocking discovery on the role of wampum. In essence what was reiterated there derives from far older analyses and contentions that even include the name of W. J. Sidis in the 1930s (another hole in your tirade), which while charming does involve the name of a rather curious eccentric.
 
For the famed Sidis documents known as The Tribes and the States
 
 
To find out who Sidis was you need look no further than Wiki:
 
 
However, he is an Internet favorite...
 


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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

My dear foolish Pinguin, do you not realize that all of these references make mush of your contention that no one studied the Amerindian within the context of the United States?
 
Well, as you know it better, your commentary are welcome.
 
Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

That you have now chosen to continue the polemic despite embarrassments caused in another thread is hardly laudatory. 
 
Which polemic?
 
Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

Nevertheless, you are confusing the criteria for ethnology with those of history and despite the valiant effort to "cut and paste", the simple fact that you had to include Horatio Hale is a serious disconnect in your purely argumentative stance.
 
Well, explain what is wrong in the comments Hale, instead of stating your supposed intellectual superiority LOL
 
Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

By the way, web commentary produced by a student does not mean that what is contained therein represents any new or shocking discovery on the role of wampum. In essence what was reiterated there derives from far older analyses and contentions that even include the name of W. J. Sidis in the 1930s (another hole in your tirade), which while charming does involve the name of a rather curious eccentric.
 
 
So. Who said that the wampum was a shocking discovery? In fact, every single non-literate people had similar devices, as you very well know, don't you? Confused 
 
Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

For the famed Sidis documents known as The Tribes and the States
 
 
To find out who Sidis was you need look no further than Wiki:
 
 
However, he is an Internet favorite...
 
 
As I said before, if you know it better, post your comments and contributions here. I am interested in the truth... As always do.
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I see, your rather curious excentric, Sidis, is one of the smartest people that have lived, with an intelligence at least twice yours or mine.

What is your claim? That everything he wrote is an hoax? State it, please.

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Iroquois symbol
 
Wampum belt
 
 
 
 
 
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