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    Posted: 31 May 2021 at 08:45
One problem with democracy is what happens if you have a democratic system, but a non-democratic leader is elected? 
Is an elected government legitimate if it is elected but not sufficiently "democratic?"  
What does it mean to be "insufficiently democratic."  Is that just another way of saying, you don't like that regime?  What if that regime is not according to outside bystanders, "sufficiently competent?"  
Does that excuse overthrowing a particular regime.  What about constitutionality?  Say a regime is within the bounds of a strict constitutionality, but is not doing what some things people think it should do (or not do).  Personally, I worry about governments being too competent (not not competent enough).  Just because the masses like it, doesn't mean it is a good thing.

In the early '70s(?) the United States CIA supported a coup to overthrow the new Chilean President Vargos-Llosa who was a democratically elected Marxist.  They did not want to know what would happen if a communist leader democratically came to power in a non-Communist state. 
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The thing that some don't get about democracy is that you cannot leave it to sort itself, because there will always be personalities who want to take over. Democracy is a fragile thing - it needs protection - and successful democracies are those with strong boundaries and politicians willing to defend it's principles. As recent events in America show, a failure to act can have serious consequences.
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Originally posted by caldrail caldrail wrote:

The thing that some don't get about democracy is that you cannot leave it to sort itself, because there will always be personalities who want to take over. Democracy is a fragile thing - it needs protection - and successful democracies are those with strong boundaries and politicians willing to defend it's principles. As recent events in America show, a failure to act can have serious consequences.

UK has had a flood of terrible sexual assaults since at least 2015, directly related to migrants redirected to UK and EU. Major world governments engage in proxy wars in the Middle East. The migrants are weapons of cultural wars and it's not an accident that the 'Diversity' is killing EU. The US has exact same threats to culture and quality of life, no denying the 'Diversity' is a killer.


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Its often said that democracy is not perfect but it is the best system available. Personally I'm not such a great fan of democracy as many others are. The problems with democracy and parliamentarianism include that the best are always a minority and the rest a majority (and "one vote makes no difference" and half the voters dictate to the other half), and the media majorly influences voters/public opinion, and money (parties funded by big business & unions) and demagogues (and fluoridation), weak leaders and lack of responsibility, and voters never learn but they always tricked by words / slick appearances / names / slogans and keep voting the same old two proven bad parties, and most people are uninformed and just seem to vote for own self interests (eg tax cuts trick). On the other hand I do recognize that democracy has some good points such as if the ruling class is doing wrongs then the people have some voice/power. So I'd favour a fair balance combination of aristocracy (rule by best) and democracy.
The classical philosophers said the best political systems were monarchy, aristocracy and democracy,and the worst tyranny, oligarchy, ochlocracy.
Some people say a benevolent dictatorship is the best system.
So I don't think its all bad if a leader is "undemocratic", but whether he/she/they is/are good/just or bad/evil/injust.
I really don't consider our western world countries systems are truly democratic either. I find it pretty shocking and depressing the types of MPs getting elected, and the MPs/ministers and councilors pretty much just make what laws they like in difference to the peoples/countries wishes. They just serve certain interests and not the best interests of the nations.


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The irony of Francisco with regards to the CIA folks is very well understood. In Russia many would also laugh at former KGB claiming their adherence to the true democratic principles Smile In real life they are more like a pack of wolves or bandits in terms of their culture and behavior, although in movies they are often portrayed as super-intelligent positive heroes with advanced science degrees etc

I think that the development of democratic thinking starts from very basic things like reading foreign news and being subject to different view points on regular basis, which is hardly achievable without learning foreign languages. Without knowledge of foreign cultures there could be no respect, which is especially necessary for resolving international matters. When the US and UK bombed Iraq in 2003, many people would doubt that democracy should be delivered this way, both countries don't even have common boundaries with Iraq. Can we say Iraq has become more democratic ever since? Has it become any safer? But if we ask people what they'd rather choose: more security or more democracy - what would the most vote for? 
So if we are ready to accept that more democracy often means less security, then can we really say that democracy is so good? 
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The Sage would say (Manly P Hall) that the loss of -Faith Hope Love- as an evolutionary development has retarded the progress of humanity. The less we remember of our spiritual selves the more we damage the magnetic fields around us. Diminishing the magnetic fields around us will change what we are into what the CIA would like us to be, an energy source/food for elite freaks. 
Technocrats think they will 'mine' us or harvest humans like aphids. The same plot from the Matrix movie and ancient texts. The joke may yet be on the CIA, I'll bet on Creation over democracy every time.

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There is a word that shows up in Herodotus and early on in late Archaic Greek intellectual history, isonomy or isonomia meaning equity under the law ('isosceles' triangle).  Aristotle does not use this term, preferring democracy or rule under the demos.  This has a slightly negative connotation when compared to monarchy ('law' of the one), or aristocracy (rule of the best.)
Monarchy is considered the best, but it devolves into tyranny, and then an aristocracy (rule of the best) comes to stabilize things, that devolves into oligarchy, (law of the few {usually the wealthy}), democracy replaces that, which devolves in ochlocracy (mob rule?).  Then, it repeats over again supposedly.  And of course, it can skip steps.  This except, isonomia, is Aristotle, who was tutor to Alexander III and other Macedonian lords.  There is also a concept that whichever group has the most virtue (arete) rules.  The groups being in the person of the monarch, the aristocracy, or the demos.  That of course, is _legitimately_ rules (according to Aristotle's theory.)

Churchhill said something like, 'democracy is the worst of all systems, except all others.'

The Greeks had a word for a private person, who would not involve himself in the politics of his polis, an "idiot."   
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Originally posted by Vanuatu Vanuatu wrote:

The Sage would say (Manly P Hall) that the loss of -Faith Hope Love- as an evolutionary development has retarded the progress of humanity. The less we remember of our spiritual selves the more we damage the magnetic fields around us. Diminishing the magnetic fields around us will change what we are into what the CIA would like us to be, an energy source/food for elite freaks. 
Technocrats think they will 'mine' us or harvest humans like aphids. The same plot from the Matrix movie and ancient texts. The joke may yet be on the CIA, I'll bet on Creation over democracy every time.


If we measure the spiritual life by the strength of the magnetic fields, then things are not so hopeless for the earthlings. Because the earth actually has one of the strongest magnetic fields among all planets of our solar system. It is even comparable with Saturn's, despite Saturn's huge radius and high speed of rotation  (which is a poorly explained phenomena, btw). But something tells me that spirituality alone is a poor defense against bombshells :) Unless we are in the imaginary Avatars world..

I bet Vanuatu is familiar with Madam Blavatksy's occultist writing because the narrative of "technocrats vs spiritualists" so much resembles her story of Atlantis etc.

Surely the world is driven by megalomaniacs who constantly fight each other by sacrificing their countless pieces on the board, where human life means very little and psychological vampirism seems widespread. But we can't deny the positive sides of the technological advancements either, unless they are coined with the purpose of more bloodshed. Otherwise, any talks of democratic governance become hopeless bla-bla  for gullible TV audiences 
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I think that we prefer our own lifestyles, but we are really in no position to judge.  We assume that more life is better, and indeed we are probably biologically hardwired to think that.  But, I think we are a little in awe of our own reputation.  Legends in our own minds.  That is not to say that we can do otherwise, although perhaps, like a supertanker or super carrier in the Persian Gulf, there are a few, very few, places in which one might turn around.  So, there is a remote possibility if we plan ahead.

You cannot go against nature, because if you do, that is part of nature too.  (Midnight Oil)  Not sure that is strictly true, but I like the sentiment.

A problem with democracy is that it can devolve so easily into revolt/rule of the masses.  It is a blind animal lashing out at anything and everything.  I think that Jose Ortega Y' Gasset had some insight into it.


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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

I think we are a little in awe of our own reputation.  Legends in our own minds

Well, I suppose the image projected through mass media may be different based on where a person resides Smile But I think you will agree that such things as Guantanamo Bay detention camps with accusations of torture and sexual abuses leave very little space for any claims of democratic governance  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp 

In Russia we are now reviving our famous Gulag camps, thanks to COVID, migrants outflow and international isolation caused by sanctions 
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Originally posted by Novosedoff Novosedoff wrote:

Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

I think we are a little in awe of our own reputation.  Legends in our own minds

Well, I suppose the image projected through mass media may be different based on where a person resides Smile But I think you will agree that such things as Guantanamo Bay detention camps with accusations of torture and sexual abuses leave very little space for any claims of democratic governance  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp 

In Russia we are now reviving our famous Gulag camps, thanks to COVID, migrants outflow and international isolation caused by sanctions 
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/06/01/7-in-10-russians-support-reviving-gulag-prison-labor-poll-a74068

from the article
"The prison labor proposal, backed by Russia’s justice and construction ministers as a way to streamline President Vladimir Putin’s multibillion-dollar infrastructure projects, has sparked heated debate over one of the country’s darkest moments in history. It came to a head with a controversial state media op-ed glorifying the gulags as so-called “social elevators” for the poor as opposed to death camps, a whitewashing that sparked outrage on social media."

Historian Graham Hancock agrees with the excavator of Gobekli Tepe, the late Klaus Schmidt, when he says the stone megaliths and the Pyramids are the legacy not the pinnacle of the ages.
The grandeur of the stones at GT was greater in the oldest examples and a steady decline in size of stones and skill of the workers was evident to Schmidt. 
Schmidt concluded that creators of GT were THE first farmers, he argued, a highly organized priestly sect that fell into an unseizing decline.
Humanity appears to be spiraling, the destination we travel to is unclear. 
I read that postal workers in Moscow carry revolvers now, our postman certainly should have one.




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Quote UK has had a flood of terrible sexual assaults since at least 2015, directly related to migrants redirected to UK and EU.
No we haven't. Unless you're referring to people trafficking but modern slavery is a criminal enterprise that exists everywhere around the world.

Quote  Major world governments engage in proxy wars in the Middle East. The migrants are weapons of cultural wars and it's not an accident that the 'Diversity' is killing EU. The US has exact same threats to culture and quality of life, no denying the 'Diversity' is a killer.
I deny it. Diversity is an important survival factor in both nature and the human world. There is a difference between demographic diversity and migrant ghettoes that refuse to integrate.
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Quote Some people say a benevolent dictatorship is the best system.
That idea of strength resonates with human social instincts. But the thing is by nature a dictatorship is dependent of the character of the dictator and that's why benevolence cannot be guaranteed. All too easy for a tyrant to dominate in a system designed for domination. That's why democracy is so important. I would have thought the US had learned that lesson recently.
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Originally posted by Vanuatu Vanuatu wrote:


from the article
"The prison labor proposal, backed by Russia’s justice and construction ministers as a way to streamline President Vladimir Putin’s multibillion-dollar infrastructure projects, has sparked heated debate over one of the country’s darkest moments in history. It came to a head with a controversial state media op-ed glorifying the gulags as so-called “social elevators” for the poor as opposed to death camps, a whitewashing that sparked outrage on social media."


There are some concerns that this will kinda violate the article 37 of the Russian Constitution Smile
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Quote UK has had a flood of terrible sexual assaults since at least 2015, directly related to migrants redirected to UK and EU.
No we haven't. Unless you're referring to people trafficking but modern slavery is a criminal enterprise that exists everywhere around the world.

Quote  Major world governments engage in proxy wars in the Middle East. The migrants are weapons of cultural wars and it's not an accident that the 'Diversity' is killing EU. The US has exact same threats to culture and quality of life, no denying the 'Diversity' is a killer.
I deny it. Diversity is an important survival factor in both nature and the human world. There is a difference between demographic diversity and migrant ghettoes that refuse to integrate.

Live in de-nile your choice. I've seen all the evidence of the Diversity lol f**king maniacs killing each other in quaint English villages. Your own government seeks your extinction and you make it so easy for them. 
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f**king maniacs killing each other in quaint English villages.

 Do you like the  Father Brown series, Vanuatu? Smile
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Originally posted by Novosedoff Novosedoff wrote:

Originally posted by Vanuatu Vanuatu wrote:

f**king maniacs killing each other in quaint English villages.

 Do you like the  Father Brown series, Vanuatu? Smile

LOL

not ALL of them 
a bit of mayhem
a woke Father Brown has war flashback clobbers Blind 'Arry Slow with a five foot long plank. Lucky 'Arry is drunk enough and neck bends like willow, tip top!
Planking is all the rage! Already the barbarity has been assimilated by UK citizens. US has many of this ilk, no favorites here. 

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Quote Live in de-nile your choice. I've seen all the evidence of the Diversity lol f**king maniacs killing each other in quaint English villages. Your own government seeks your extinction and you make it so easy for them.

You do know that Midsommer Murders is a fictional series? :D

So my government seeks my extinction? You think they're trying to kill me? You do know that I'm a registered voter and as such valuable to aspiring government ministers and councillors? Well. Whatever you might think, I can walk out my front door safe in the knowledge that helmets and flak jackets aren't necessary. Welcome to Britain. Proof that guns don't work.
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Firearms do work, if you have the proper ammunition;)  But, whether they are the proper tool for a particular job is another question.  United States does not get many home invasions, partially because the invaders don't know who might be armed.  We got so many firearms in circulation, confiscation would probably be ineffective.  That doesn't mean that some people are not still eager to poke the bear.

The democrats have made, for example, Chicago suburbs a cesspool of murder and drivebys, people do not want that to happen in their town and therefore, many people desire to arm themselves.  The democrats seem to worry about the (law-abiding) gun owners, than they do of the effects of crime that so concerns people.  Are there answers?  Probably some on both sides, but problems are also there on both sides too.  Anyone who says they have the answer is probably telling falsehoods, but again, whether they know that is a lie, is another thing.  Lying is telling falsehoods knowingly.

Most people in the US are to the right of the political middle, the cities, the media and the academy are on the left and misrepresent or mock the general public.  Of course, the left does not understand why a lot of people did not consider Hillary (and Bill) the lesser of evils.
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Quote Live in de-nile your choice. I've seen all the evidence of the Diversity lol f**king maniacs killing each other in quaint English villages. Your own government seeks your extinction and you make it so easy for them.

You do know that Midsommer Murders is a fictional series? :D

So my government seeks my extinction? You think they're trying to kill me? You do know that I'm a registered voter and as such valuable to aspiring government ministers and councillors? Well. Whatever you might think, I can walk out my front door safe in the knowledge that helmets and flak jackets aren't necessary. Welcome to Britain. Proof that guns don't work.
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Quote Firearms do work, if you have the proper ammunition;)  But, whether they are the proper tool for a particular job is another question.  United States does not get many home invasions, partially because the invaders don't know who might be armed.  .
The United States gets most of them. Because the invaders might be emboldened by firearms. 

The trouble with many Americans (sorry, I don't want to cause offence, but America has to realise the world doesn't share the same opinions of itself) is their refusal to let go of arms. Paranoia in a potentially dangerous country. I recall a tv documentary where a Dutch reporter went into a southern state gun store... ney, supermarket. He asked the man at the counter how many guns were there. A couple of thousand, in store, ready for sale. Why do you need so many guns, we don't have stores like this in Europe? The man looked confused and replied "So how do you defend yourselves?"

The thing is, we don't usually need to. Nobody carries guns.

We are after all talking about a country that sells pink coloured guns to young girls. You know, I once mentioned on an internet forum that take away a gun from an American and he's emasculated. Oh no, the replies came from the american posters, not true. But it is. That's the underlying reason why America will not solve its gun crime - Americans are too psychologically attached to the self empowerment that comes from weaponry. Look how audiences cheer Dirty Harry when he blows away half the criminals in San Francisco with the most powerful handgun in the world. That the film tries to put across some kind of anti-violence message at the end is pointless - Dirty Harry is the victor and has holstered his 44 magnum for the next sequel.

Okay, I'll stop. Preaching is also rather pointless because Americans usually rationalise things to justify their addiction. 
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Well, Europe is rather diverse. In Russia, for example, the sale of arms is strictly licensed, and it's tough to get the permission from the police, but the homicide rate is still 1.5 times above the US rate.   Back 10 years ago we had nearly twice Europe's average number of policemen per every 100,000 of population (the only countries comparable with Russia in terms of the number of police force would be Montenegro and Spain), nonetheless this barely affected our crime rates. The topiс of making arms more accessible is occasionally raised in discussions, but never gets the green light from the authorities, because Russian authorities are afraid of the wild Russian population, especially at a time of economic turbulence and political unpopularity.

Btw I've read an Eysenck's book which shared some statistical data of the late 20th century from the FBI and British police.  As far as I remember, many British serial killers were retired policemen and security staff. In Russia such things are not rare too even with currently employed policemen, a good example would be police lieutenant Popkov who killed about 80 women between 1992-2010

 
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I think America does not have the aristocratic pecking order that many European countries do.  There are poor and there are rich, but there is not the kind of class 'ossification' that Europe has, more movement between classes, but also more friction.  Everybody is "middle class' or at least pretends to be.  Part of that is traditionally there has been more mobility, and so while someone may not be well off at the time, they believe that they will get there.  They identify with middle class values, or at least did until relatively recently.  It is kind of a statistical joke that 75 % believe they live in the top half of neighborhoods.  Of course, that is statistically impossible, but nonetheless it shows that a lot of people feel thankful for where they live, and think that others don't get it, living in upscale communities.  The media does not get it either, nor the university, but now there is a pretty hot cold war going on between people who believe in some variant of the American dream and those who believe they can tear the whole thing down, and (hubristically) think they can do better.
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

I think America does not have the aristocratic pecking order that many European countries do.  There are poor and there are rich, but there is not the kind of class 'ossification' that Europe has, more movement between classes, but also more friction. .

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There is no assessment in the article for the bill of good the government is trying to sell.  We have a population that is distrustful of big, radical government because that government (the anointed) wants to do aid programs as a means of leverage to get in the door to do other things, thus making mischief.  The anointed are so damn condescending, and show such favoriteism towards urban environs, and minorities.  One must wonder that with the amount of emphasis they put into rural areas, why is not Chicago, DC, NYC, LA wonder lands?  Could it be that they are more interested in promoting their union cronies that foul up the education system?  Emphasis these days is making sure that one is comfortable in their presuppositions, comfortable that is except for whites that are supposedly extra-privlidged.  The whole theory of human nature from the radicals is skewed into a postmodern Marxism using minorities instead of classes.
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

There is no assessment in the article for the bill of good the government is trying to sell.  We have a population that is distrustful of big, radical government because that government (the anointed) wants to do aid programs as a means of leverage to get in the door to do other things, thus making mischief.  The anointed are so damn condescending, and show such favoriteism towards urban environs, and minorities.  One must wonder that with the amount of emphasis they put into rural areas, why is not Chicago, DC, NYC, LA wonder lands?  Could it be that they are more interested in promoting their union cronies that foul up the education system?  Emphasis these days is making sure that one is comfortable in their presuppositions, comfortable that is except for whites that are supposedly extra-privlidged.  The whole theory of human nature from the radicals is skewed into a postmodern Marxism using minorities instead of classes.
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