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Vanuatu ![]() Administrator ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 Feb 2015 Location: New England Status: Offline Points: 2884 |
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Welcome Pelagon ![]() The Templars built castles in Portugal after King Phillip VI ordered them to be driven from France. Oak Island, Nova Scotia has turned up some treasures and figurines associated with Knights Templar. The symbolism is universal but as we know it changes when ideas and people are separated for centuries. American Indians & Aborigines used the Swastika meaning "luck" and "well being" respectively, Hindus also used it as a benevolent icon. So has the Templar Iron Cross changed in meaning considerably.
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http://www.worldhistoria.com/topic129916.html
Our previous discussion at WH on Templars or first Europeans in new world
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Novosedoff ![]() Colonel ![]() Joined: 28 Mar 2020 Location: Moscow Status: Offline Points: 503 |
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![]() ![]() PS Btw It's also interesting to notice how the relative exchange value of Gold and Silver was changing over time. It used to be in the range 1:10 to 1:20 in the time of Roman empire. The above ratio from Tomas Sowell's book looks more like 1:90. Then a few golden rushes followed that actually inflated silver's value. But there have been silver rushes too. Today's exchange rate between gold and silver is more like 1:70.
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Novosedoff ![]() Colonel ![]() Joined: 28 Mar 2020 Location: Moscow Status: Offline Points: 503 |
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Perhaps the most relevant link for this thread would be the following
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caldrail ![]() Chieftain ![]() ![]() Joined: 21 Jan 2014 Location: Rushey Platt Status: Offline Points: 1468 |
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I would urge caution. Whilst there's an outside chance the Templars deposited their ill gotten gains in the New World, it's still a long shot. As always the emergence of ideas like this has less to do with any coincidential iconography or direct evidence, but the idea that there's a treasure hoard waiting to be found. There is nothing more powerful to hook people in worthless endevours than the promise of buried treasure. The love of money is the root of all wasted effort
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http://www.unrv.com/forum/blog/31-caldrails-blog/
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franciscosan ![]() WorldHistoria Master ![]() Joined: 09 Feb 2015 Location: Littleton CO Status: Offline Points: 10947 |
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I asked on "my" coin forum if there was some thing called a templar coin?
This is the answer I got: The Knights Hospitallier issued their own coins, from the various territories they controlled long after the Crusades were over, but the Templars didn't own territory or control a mint, so no, the Templars didn't issue their own coins. Most coins issued in the Crusader states in the Levant were issued in the names of the King of Jerusalem and the various principalities. The "Templar Cross" was a cross pattee or cross potent, in heraldic terminology; lots of European countries used such cross symbols on their coin and they are not necessarily of Crusader origin. Most notably, Spanish and Portuguese coins both usually featured prominent crosses of this shape. The origin of Templar banking is in the issuance of cheques for people going to and from the Crusader lands, one could deposit money in Italy, get a check, and cash it on arrival to "the Holy Land" instead of carrying the money with you on a risky journey. I think we should remember that Islamic (Arabic) culture was the more sophisticated. Thus, the Templars and other knights would pick up funny practices from them, like bathing ![]() Urr... I should mention that there are no Templar coins known, I don't know if it would be possible that there once were Templar coins, which we don't know about, and which (if they exist) might be found in a hoard some day. But, the smart money (betting) would be against such a possibility. However, you would be surprised about how many coins from the ancient world, are known by one example, and that implies that many from the ancient world didn't make it past the melting pot. It also would imply that there may be some examples of medieval coins that might also not have survived the ravages of time. Edited by franciscosan - 26 Aug 2020 at 14:46 |
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Novosedoff ![]() Colonel ![]() Joined: 28 Mar 2020 Location: Moscow Status: Offline Points: 503 |
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In fact, the same French king, who wiped out Templars, also stood behind the expulsion of Jews from France
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franciscosan ![]() WorldHistoria Master ![]() Joined: 09 Feb 2015 Location: Littleton CO Status: Offline Points: 10947 |
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I just finished Shakespeare's _Merchant of Venice_, it is interesting how it portrays the culture through the characters and their relationship to Shylock the Jew. He has loaned out money to the merchant of Venice, and on default is planning to take his other form of payment, a pound of flesh. This of course, does not happen and Shylock converts to save his life, his daughter Jessica before that is planning to marry a Christian to get out of her father's oppressive household.
Medievals definitely did not have the same notion of economics that we do, perhaps it would be more like the Muslim ideas?
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