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    Posted: 20 Aug 2018 at 07:30
I recently purchased a book entitled "Following the Ark of the Covenant" by Kerry Ross Boren and Lisa Lee Boren.

I'm currently about halfway through reading this book, and, curiously, there's been almost nothing about the Ark, but the authors engender some interest with their claims that North America was visited by the ancient Pheonicans, Egyptians and the Knights Templar as early as a thousand years before Columbus  discovered South America, as well as explanations for other so-called mysteries concerning the peopling of the USA. One claim made in the book, is that a Welsh adventurer and some refugees from Wales lived in America, and spoke in Welsh which was spoken by later venturers.

They also claim that evidence exists which suggests that the home of The Golden Fleece (as per Jason & The Argonauts) was in fact the USA.

I kept an open mind on that part of the book and read on about the discovery of Aztec treasure in caves in Utah, and the Mormon connection.

Although an interesting read, I started to become more than a little sceptical about the books claims, not withstanding the fact that it is very comprehensively referenced, and some of the information, such as the hidden hoard on Oak Island, has been known for generations. 

On a whim, I decided to Google Kerry Ross Boren, and found that he was convicted of bludgeoning his wife to death and sent to prison. Again, perhaps curiously, I can't find much information about him or Lisa Lee, his wife, on the internet. What I can find are comments both supportive and dismissive of the books claims.

The fact that he is a convicted murderer doesn't mean that the contents of the book are all fiction, but, it does cast some suspicion over the claims made.

I'm continuing to read the book.

If any member has some more information about the Borens or their books, I's be pleased to read it in this forum.


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He apparently bludgeoned his _first_ wife to death, Lisa Lee Boren visited him in prison, and was searched for allegedly having a hole in the crouch of the pants.  This was discovered not to be the case at a particular time, but was suspected (or discovered?) earlier.  (easy access).  She sued for distress because of the search and her suit was turned down at both district and appeals.  (I guess even murdering husbands get horny).  Of course, if she won, there might have been a nice cash settlement.  The court case is mentioned on Justia, both are listed as plaintiffs.  In any case, she sounds like a jailhouse wife.  There are women who write away to murderers, "fall in love" with them, and marry them when they're on the inside.  I am not arguing with that, but to me they sound a little like scam artists.  Scam artists in love, but scam artists.

I wonder whether some of the honorary societies that he is a member of are self-created.  Mormons are very much believers in the lost 12 tribes being in the new World, so I would figure that a Jack-Mormon (secularized Mormon) or someone writing for a Jack Mormon audience would be very big in early pre-Columbus, pre-Viking contacts in the new world.  I don't think he would be adverse to creating them if they didn't exist already. Of course, I don't know that, but you might look at some of accolades he claims, and see if there is anything on the internet substantial for them.

But, toyomotor, you know me, I am going to be skeptical of this kind of thing.  Pre-Columbus European contact is something pretty obscure.  That does not mean it is wrong, just that if someone made up something about that time and place, the chances that ordinary people like us would find an outright contradiction would be pretty remote.  Question is, would you buy some beachfront property from such a character?  If you think you might, I would again suggest checking out his accolades to see if the organizations he is president of, consist of more than just him and his wife.  That does not mean all of the organizations are bogus, all I am saying is you might look there and see what they might be.


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There are so many references in the book, to apparently legitmate sources, that I haven't the resources to check them all.

I knew about the murder of his wife and the "hole in the jeans" court case, but I'm wondering whether he may have done some of his research while in prison.

Do you know if or when he was released?

Was Lisa Lee his second wife?

What do you know about his reputation as an historical writer? The minor entries that I find on the web claim him to be a fraud.

Is there anything else you can tell me about his books?
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Lisa Lee sounds like his second wife.
afaik he has been released (paroled?).
I have not heard of him except from you and what I looked up on the internet.  I don't really want to go down that rabbit hole more.  I am not saying the references in the book are bogus, I am saying check out some of the organizations he belongs to, or awards he has been given.  If they don't exist other than his mention of him winning them, well that would seem to me, to be telling.  If he is a president of a club, and the club doesn't seem to have any other members, that is significant.
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

Lisa Lee sounds like his second wife.
afaik he has been released (paroled?).
I have not heard of him except from you and what I looked up on the internet.  I don't really want to go down that rabbit hole more.  I am not saying the references in the book are bogus, I am saying check out some of the organizations he belongs to, or awards he has been given.  If they don't exist other than his mention of him winning them, well that would seem to me, to be telling.  If he is a president of a club, and the club doesn't seem to have any other members, that is significant.

I agree. I don't know if the many references are bogus or simply people who share the same views as he does.

But, for the sake of conversation, let's look at some of things he writes about in his book:
  • Egyptians and Phoenicans had the means to sail to the "New World" a thousand years before Columbus;
  • Vikings made numerous voyages to the North East of the USA;
  • People from Wales migrated to the USA long before Columbus (and basically went native). He claims that there is evidence of Welsh speaking Indians, some of whom grew beards. He says that Native Americans did not grow beards.
I believe that all of these claims are possible, but I'd need a lot more proof.

There are many more claims made in the book, relating to Mormons, Oak Island and peopling of North America. I found all of them interesting, but dismissed some as not really practical.


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Thor Heyrdal (sp) showed that an Egyptian reed ship could make it to the New World (Kon Tiki(?)). but of course he had the advantage of knowing where he was going.  Egyptians as far as I know, were pretty much stay-at-homes, Phoenicians were traders and controlled the Western Mediterranean.

Vikings did travel to the NE of America, how much to 'Maine" etc, not clear, they were coming from Greenland and Iceland.  There is an odd tower in Maine that its not really clear how or why it got there.  a couple of runic inscriptions, but those are probably frauds.  There was a Viking settlement in Canada (Newfoundland?), Aux-??-Meadows, has been excavated archaeologically.

Don't know anything about Welsh.  American Indians tend to have little body hair, no beards or just a wispy one.  Irish monks probably made it to Iceland before the Vikings.  There are hermit caves, carved out of the rock in Iceland.  Mini-ice age came around, and made the Greenland colonies (west one, east one) unviable.  Mini-ice age lasted until industrialization warmed things up in 18th and 19th century.
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Research has indicated that the Vikings were probing further away from their homeland which they were actually dependant upon for continued prosperity. The Islands off the Scottish coast were closest and easiest to inhabit, followed by Iceland (which had forests back then according to archeobiological finds). Greenland was a tough place to live, with evidence of less imported goods and much adaption of local resources. America was so far away that long term survival was not going to be easy and some researchers believe the Vikings were a little wary about settling there, making sure they could retreat to safer regions if necessary. Having watched plenty of documentaries about colonisation, warfare, and survival in the American northeast, I can appreciate it was not the easiest environment to inhabit and the Vikings went there without local knowledge.
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My point is, what appears to be a well referenced book, containing quite a few believable theories was written by a man with, let's say, somewhat difficult circumstances in his life.

Many of his theories are the same that I have ascribed to for many years, but, have I been duped all along?

Nevertheless, I'd suggest buying and reading the book, I found it very interesting.
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When he says the ancient Egyptians and the Phoenicians had the means to sail to the new world, he has some basis for saying that because the Kon-tiki boat made it to the new world (Thor Heyerdahl), but again Heyerdahl knew where he was going.  Misleading statement, did they have the means, for boat, yes, for navigation, no.

What is "numerous voyages" to the American NE?  Two? Ten? Thirty?  Based on what?  There are some odd structures, and runic stones, but those are (usually) attributed to fraud.  There are certain examples that get trotted out whenever people talk about Norse Ancient America, and there are the scholarly dismissals of the same.  One I seem to remember was found in Minnesota, which coincidentally was settled by a great number of Norwegians and Swedes.  Now Aux Meadows (or whatever it is called, is well documented but it is also up in New Brunswick(??)  That is well documented by archaeological evidence.

Never heard about the Welsh hypothesis, it would seem that the Welsh would be devastating to the Indians for the same reason that other Europeans were, disease.  It would be interesting to see if anyone has looked for a genetic sign for these Welsh, although it would also be possible that any such 'tribe' would be knocked out by later disease, starvation, warfare.
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