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There is no doubt that first people that were called "Turks" in history had mongoloid appearance. Besides, DNA data and physical apperance do not correspond.
 
Here is the ancient sculpture of the Turkiut prince Kul-Tigin (7-8 century AD).
 
 
 


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Is it possible that Turkic people are a mix of Caucasian and Mongolid people?
I think this could be good possible because of the old Indo-European people who lived their and get assimilated.

In my oppinion Uygurs are the best example for a Caucasian-Mongolid mix.

http://www.goworldtravel.com/aug04/children.jpg (More Mongolid)
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/1452/133194300018a77f7fc0ohq5.jpg(More Caucasian..maybe Tocharian)??
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Some Turkic people definitely are a mix of Caucasian and Mongoloid people.
 
And yes, Uyghurs are the direct descendant of Tokharians-Yuezhi Caucasian people.
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So is it possible that the first turkic people were hybrids?
As an example..the women in my mothers family are looking Slavic but not my mother.She is looking more like a hybrid.
My Grandfather also

And i have one question to you Smile
My fathers family is very tall
I think my father is the smallest guy with 186cm

They are coming from Central Anatolia (Kayseri)

My Grandfather had light blue eyes while my grandmother has got very dark green eyes but only my youngest uncle has got green eyes.The rest of us have brown eyes.

Why is this soSmile?



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The first people that were known under the name of Turks i.e. Turkiuts or Gok-Turks were Mongoloids. However, the name "Turks" with time became a designation for most of the other people that were under their empire's control and influence. Some of those peoples were Caucasian, some Mongoloids, with the time again they mixed with each other.
 
About your family. Perhaps, it would be a proper question to a genetic expert who would need to research all your ancestors,  their genes and eye colors to draw a correct phormula. As you know, genetic science has a method of calculating genetic sequences.
 
As for Turks in Turkey in general, there are so many people mixed there. Including native Anatolians, Greeks, people from Caucasus, Slavic people from Balkans and Turks from Central Asia, of course, and even Afro-Turks (!). So, it's totally normal that you can see so many different phenotypes in Turkey.
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I know  two Afro-Turks and both of them are coming from Adana.

I know some roots from my mothers side
My grandfather is a Tatar (I think he told me that they were coming from Crimea)
My grandmother has darkblond hairs maybe she is from the balkan
My aunt's husband is a yoruk turk and a circassian
My other aunt has yoruk and georgian descends

Only my oldest cousin and my uncle are over 180 but the rest is maybe 175 or smallerLOL

I don't know from where my fathers family is coming
They are all tall and they have broadly bodies.Maybe Armenoid?


Last but not least we are calling ourselve as turksSmile


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Aspect of when turkic became europoid is uncertain, maybe in 2nd half of BC? But some turkic left mongoloid.
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Gok-turks were mixed europoid-m-oid.Unforturtanetly some turkic falsificating own history so genetic research of turkic is difficult.they're say turkic were eu-oid from BC.
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Originally posted by AyKurt AyKurt wrote:

The ruling dynasty of the Bolgars were the Dulo.  Kubrat Khan seceded from the Gok Turks when he took over his clan and overthrew the Avars to create Volga Bolgaria.  The Dulo clan descends from the Tele tribe of the Xiongnu. 
This is not entirelly correct. You confuse the so called Old Great Bulgaria with Volga Bulgaria. Volga Bulgaria was created some time after split of Bulgars into groups after the death of Kubrat. 
 
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Also, if true, the genealogical claim that Kubrat is a descendant through the paternal line of Atilla would make the Huns a creation of the Ashina too.
This comes from Nominalia of Bulgar Khans mainly but I think at those times in steppe every chieftain derived his genealogy from Attila. Interestingly how you misspelled Attila's name. It is a very common mistake and shows how deeply the Otello's story is sitting in our brains Smile
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