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    Posted: 28 Aug 2019 at 01:20
http://https://greece.greekreporter.com/2019/07/13/marble-pyramid-island-uncovered-revealing-origins-of-ancient-greece/
The islet ‘mini-mountain’ of Dhaskalio, off the Cycladic island of Keros (Cambridge Keros Project)
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Excavations on a tiny island in the Aegean Sea – 125 miles southeast of Athens – are revealing the earliest truly monumental complex of buildings ever unearthed anywhere in the Greek world.

Dating back 4,600 years, the site may also have been part of the inspiration for a key aspect of Greek religion – the idea that mountain tops were the dwelling places of the gods.

Archaeologists now believe that, in order to construct the complex, early Bronze Age Greeks embarked on at least 3,500 maritime voyages to transport between 7,000 and 10,000 tonnes of shining white marble from one Aegean island to another.

Each return voyage would have required up to 24 crew members to paddle for around five hours.

“It is by far the largest prehistoric marine transport operation that has ever come to light anywhere in the world,” said Dr Julian Whitewright, a leading maritime archaeologist at the University of Southampton.=greecehighdefinition.com/blog


Dhaskalio,this marble terraced island of the Cycladics near Keros is proving that a Bronze Age Greece 'pyramid' culture existed and possibly started at this site. Evidence of this has been previously lacking for a pyramid in Greece 4,600 years ago. Jagged tops of islands in Greece have often yielded white pebbles believed to be ritual offerings. At Dhaskalio they are find large numbers of these pebbles and purposely broken figurines and copper blades. Breaking figurines has different supposed meanings in various cultures. 

Keros and Kavos both have hillsides dotted with figurines and the two islets were once connected by a land bank where remnants of a bridge and staircase were found. 



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I am not sure I would consider them "Greek" (or Hellenes).  btw 'Greek' is a Roman name for Hellenes, applied first to a tribe of 'Greeks' that the Romans came in contact with, then applied to other groups.  Hellenes is the Anglicized version of their own name.  But, this is before Mycenaean, this might even be before the invasions of the Dorians, the Achaeans, the Ionians, the Aeolians, the Arcadians and Cypriots.  This might be, before Cyclades civilization, although probably not.  But, since they don't show anything it is hard to tell.

But, remember that the 'Greeks' invaded in different waves into ancient Greece, and pushed out previous invaders (or into the mountains of Peloponesse).  The Dorian were the last wave.  

But of course, don't tell a Greek that such early stuff isn't "Greek".
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There are no paintings, markings or writing at Dhaskalio or Kevos.Keros. The figurines were a huge hit in 1943(Kevos discovery) and they were widely sold and copied in modern art. Archaeologists are calling them a Cycladic culture and I guess that makes it Greek in the same sentence. Though proto-Greek at least. 

The artistic genius of a 5,600-year-old ancient culture: this 1.5m-tall marble statue is the largest known example of Cycladic sculpture (National Archaeological Museum of Athens)

Complex engineering and metal-work discovered beneath ancient Greek 'pyramid'
Guardian UK ^ | Thursday, January 18, 2018 | Maev Kennedy 

Posted on 1/18/2018, 5:45:32 PM by SunkenCiv

More than 4,000 years ago builders carved out the entire surface of a naturally pyramid-shaped promontory on the Greek island of Keros. They shaped it into terraces covered with 1,000 tonnes of specially imported gleaming white stone to give it the appearance of a giant stepped pyramid rising from the Aegean: the most imposing manmade structure in all the Cyclades archipelago...

Archaeologists from three different countries involved in an ongoing excavation have found evidence of a complex of drainage tunnels -- constructed 1,000 years before the famous indoor plumbing of the Minoan palace of Knossos on Crete -- and traces of sophisticated metalworking...

Earlier excavations by the team from the University of Cambridge, the Ephorate of Antiquities of Cyclades and the Cyprus Institute have uncovered thousands of marble Cycladic sculptures -- the stylised human figures which inspired western artists, including Pablo Picasso -- and which appear to have been deliberately broken elsewhere and brought to the island for burial.

Maintaining as well as constructing the settlement would have taken a huge communal effort. The now-deserted slopes of Dhaskalio were once covered with structures and buildings, suggesting that 4,500 years ago it was one of the most densely populated parts of the islands -- despite the fact that it could not have been self-sufficient, meaning that most food, like the stone and the ore for metal working, had to be imported...

Excavated soil reveals food traces including pulses, grapes, olives, figs and almonds, and cereals, including wheat and barley. Evi Margaritis of the Cyprus Institute said: "Much of this food was imported: in the light of this evidence we need to reconsider what we know about existing networks to include food exchange."

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http://www.livescience.com/65980-photos-ancient-pyramid-shaped-island-settlement.html


The architecture of the settlement at Dhaskalio is impressive and includes staircases, such as the one seen here. Some 4,600 years ago, this staircase would have led not into the sea but onto land.


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Hey! Colin Renfew! I read a book of his, on Ancient languages (Into-European??) or something like that.  Written for the educated layman and the introductory student.

The breaking of sacrificial objects is not really a mystery.  You take perfect objects, and break them so they are useless and taken out of the world of man.  Like the Mayans and Aztecs did not sacrifice the morons, but rather the 'perfect specimens.'

They are saying it is Greek because it is Greek real estate, and the Greeks are quite culturally proud.  The earlier they can date their culture, the more cultured and sophisticated they are.  But, the question is not whether it is old, but how much continuity there is.  With Mycenaean culture (c. 1250 BC??), they know there is some continuity because Linear B tablets are an early form of Greek.  On the other hand, the Mycenaean civilization is a Eastern (Asian) palatial style economy, and there is no evidence of the agora marketplace of the Greeks.  So it is also different.  But this Cycladic civilization is, what? another thousand years before that?  Furthermore, slightly earlier than Linear B, is Linear A, at least on Crete.  Linear A has not been translated, but it may be some entirely different language.  I am sure that people have tried to get at linear A, through linear B, with no luck.  Part of the problem for linear A is there just are not a lot of examples of it, at least not of extended texts.  And then there is Minoan hieroglyphics which is another mystery.
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They moved A LOT of Marble!
7000 tons they estimate, (somehow) on one vessel. 

Again as with Egyptians, how are they cutting the marble?
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