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    Posted: 18 May 2014 at 13:36
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Quote Early human migration began when the pre-modern Homo erectus first migrated out of Africa over the Levantine corridor and Horn of Africa to Eurasia about 1.8 million years ago. The expansion of H. erectus out of Africa was followed by that of H. antecessor into Europe around 800,000 years ago, followed by H. heidelbergensis around 600,000 years ago, who was the likely ancestor of both Modern Humans and Neanderthals.[1] The ancestors of the human species H. sapiens evolved into Modern Humans (i.e. our current day subspecies H. sapiens sapiens) around 200,000 years ago, in Africa.

Migrations out of Africa occurred some time later. Around 125,000 years ago Modern Humans reached the Near East from where they later spread across Asia and Europe.[2] From the Near East, these populations spread east to South Asia by 50,000 years ago, and on to Australia by 40,000 years ago,[3] when for the first time H. sapiens reached territory never reached by H. erectus. H. sapiens reached Europe around 43,000 years ago,[4] eventually replacing the Neanderthal population. East Asia was reached by 30,000 years ago.

The date of migration to North America is disputed; it may have taken place around 30 thousand years ago, or considerably later, around 14 thousand years ago. Colonization of the Pacific islands of Polynesia began around 1300 BCE, and was completed by 900 CE. The ancestors of Polynesians left Taiwan around 5,200 years ago.

This extract, which is generally accepted as being fact (at this stage) provides  approximate timing for the movement of proto AMH (Homo Erectus) out of Africa ~1.8million years ago, while Paleo Indians have only been present in the Americas for between 30,000 to 14,000 years ago.
 
But, what of the Neanderthals? What do we know of their migrations and settlements? 
 
Is it just possible that Neanderthals existed in some parts of the world much later than is currently believed?
 
A recent theory is that Australian Aborigines may have been in Australia for up to ~130,000 years, and another more recent discovery of female skeletal remains in North America shows that skull shape and measurements more closely resemble an Australian Aborigine skull than Paleo Indian.
 
The Naia Skull could well turn current thought on it's head.
 
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In fact, the features of ancient skulls more closely resemble native peoples of Africa, Australia, and the southern Pacific Rim than they do their supposed American descendants. This has led some experts to argue that Native Americans arrived in a later migration to the earliest inhabitants, who came from elsewhere.
 
Is it possible that Australoids were in the Americas before the migration from Beringia?
 
 
 
 


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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:


The Naia Skull could well turn current thought on it's head.
 
 
Is it possible that Australoids were in the Americas before the migration from Beringia?
 

 
From what I saw about the Naia skull, geneticists have found evidence of relationship with people of the "Beringia".
Because of differences in craniofacial morphology and dentition between the earliest American skeletons and modern Native Americans, separate origins have been postulated for them, despite genetic evidence to the contrary. We describe a near-complete human skeleton with an intact cranium and preserved DNA found with extinct fauna in a submerged cave on Mexico’s Yucatan Peninsula. This skeleton dates to between 13,000 and 12,000 calendar years ago and has Paleoamerican craniofacial characteristics and a Beringian-derived mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) haplogroup (D1). Thus, the differences between Paleoamericans and Native Americans probably resulted from in situ evolution rather than separate ancestry." linkhttp://www.sciencemag.org/content/344/6185/750


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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

 
Is it possible that Australoids were in the Americas before the migration from Beringia?
 


All current genetic evidence shows those so called "Australoid" skulls belong to the same people that populated the Americas from Beringia. The measurement of skulls is not a very precise science at all. Genetics shows more clearly now that the settlement of the Americas was done by the land bridge.

Now, with the technology of 30.000 years ago is quite impossible that Australian Aborigines reached the Americas by sea, considering they were in the antipodes and the Pacific Ocean is almost empty.
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

 
Is it possible that Australoids were in the Americas before the migration from Beringia?
 


All current genetic evidence shows those so called "Australoid" skulls belong to the same people that populated the Americas from Beringia. The measurement of skulls is not a very precise science at all. Genetics shows more clearly now that the settlement of the Americas was done by the land bridge.

Now, with the technology of 30.000 years ago is quite impossible that Australian Aborigines reached the Americas by sea, considering they were in the antipodes and the Pacific Ocean is almost empty.
 
Recent studies suggest that AMH could have left Africa up to 130,000 years ago.
 
If we theorize that this was the first migration, and that some of the migrants went inland eventually to Beringia, while some formed the "Coastal Migration" of which the Australian Aborigines were part, having regard to the time between 130,000 years ago and about 14000 years ago (when it's believed that the first Americans migrated from Beringia) it is just possible that some of the first migration did indeed enter the Americas, where they either died out or were over run by the much later migration from Siberia.
 
I suggest that they could have been, but of course it's yet to be proven one way or another.
 
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Don't theorize. Get the genes. The theory of Australoids in the Americas is a pile of smoke. A chimera like the Solutreans, the African Olmecs, the Lamanites of Mormons and the extraterrestrial masters of "Ancient Astronauts".


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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Don't theorize. Get the genes. The theory of Australoids in the Americas is a pile of smoke. A chimera like the Solutreans, the African Olmecs, the Lamanites of Mormons and the extraterrestrial masters of "Ancient Astronauts".

 
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